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Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by richrichardsson » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

mannykannot wrote: post #47

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when I say English language skills I don't necessarily mean they don't read English, but just that they don't read it well enough to have understood the distinction under whatever constraints they were working - if those constraints include scanning quickly then they did not have the skills to read that text quickly and understand it.

True enough, but there really are at least two alternatives here that could be distinguished, except that we do not have sufficient information to make this distinction. In either of these two cases, the reviewer presumably did not understand the meaning of the statement, but in the first case this was because they did not know the language sufficiently well, while in the second, they lacked the critical reasoning sk…

There is a possible 3rd option: they didn't have enough time to make a reasoned judgement.

It's quite conceivable these human moderators are expected to get through tasks per , and perhaps the values you plug in there are such that it only leaves a very short period of time for each one.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by huntermeyer » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

zelon88 wrote: post #65

keiferski wrote: post #12

Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

I think the argument that private business is going to be the death of free speech is a strawman argument of the right. Typically this demographic goes out of its way to ensure a healthy free market with little obstructions. However they seem to lack the technical experience to launch a (successful and secure) competing social network of their own. So instead of achieving technological parity and becoming valid compe…

Have you forgotten about Parler?

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by Traster » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

holistio wrote: post #59

I live in Europe, in a country where black population is statistically insignificant, I only see black people about once every fortnight, and I live in a city of close to 2 million people. A lot of my acquaintances and friends have practically zero exposure to what caused the BLM movement and during last summer there was a significant number of people posting stuff along the lines of "all lives matter". To illustrate…

You wonder if your comparison of people's argument to the slogan that sat above the gates of Auschwitz could have been interpreted as offensive?

I'm sure you had some internal logic as to how you got from some modern slogan to the holocaust, but without actually explaining your thought process how exactly is anyone else going to understand that logic?

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by abyssin » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

somehnrdr14726 wrote: post #63

keiferski wrote: post #12

Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

One difference is that Twitter, Facebook, Google, are not governments and have no real authority over you. They only have the power you give them by choosing to stay in their ecosystem. Therefore it's a strain to refer to them as officials. If you're worried about them _becoming_ officials, then act now. Leave these platforms and convince others to do the same.

We don't live in isolation, and most of us couldn't. If we want to be part of the social fabric, we're often forced to use these services to some extent, so they have real authority over us.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by christophilus » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #40

throw0932439 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a similar one for just replying in a joking manner about cutting off a limb (in context this was very clearly a joke). I appealed it, but nope, denied.

Yeah. Twitter's enforcement systems have a) an inability to handle clear sarcasm and b) a corresponding inability to handle coded language that's a clear violation of TOS to a human reviewer.

To be fair, humans (at least those commenting on HN) appear to be terrible at handling sarcasm. Almost every sarcastic comment I’ve written has gotten an angry reply by a literalist.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by 4ggr0 » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #41

trasz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it was against euthanasia, why would anyone get banned for being pro euthanasia?

> why would anyone get banned for being pro euthanasia? Because it's explicitly against the rules. "You may not promote or encourage suicide or self-harm." https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/glorifying-se...

Euthanasia is an official, assisted(!) suicide. We could technically label it as a plain suicide, but that's not what it is.

It's an official procedure, assisted by doctors, and not allowed spontaneously for everyone.

That would be like saying a limb amputation is illegal to talk about on Twitter, because amputating a limb equals to self-harm.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by keiferski » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

somehnrdr14726 wrote: post #63

keiferski wrote: post #12

Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

One difference is that Twitter, Facebook, Google, are not governments and have no real authority over you. They only have the power you give them by choosing to stay in their ecosystem. Therefore it's a strain to refer to them as officials. If you're worried about them _becoming_ officials, then act now. Leave these platforms and convince others to do the same.

Well, in a literal sense, no. But they certainly have the ability to:

- Exclude you from the largest (and nearly monopolizing) media channels. Good luck getting an online business off the ground when an AI filter bans you from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Google search results. And good luck contacting Google support to contest it, which is notoriously absent for virtually everyone.

- Have you socially ostracized by labelling you as X bad thing, all without you having any recourse or ability to contest the designation. The fact that stuff like this is legal blows my mind: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yelp-racist-alert-added-busines...

- Collude to affect government policy and prevent competitors from gaining any footholds. Typical BigCo stuff.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by zelon88 » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

huntermeyer wrote: post #82

zelon88 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the argument that private business is going to be the death of free speech is a strawman argument of the right. Typically this demographic goes out of its way to ensure a healthy free market with little obstructions. However they seem to lack the technical experience to launch a (successful and secure) competing social network of their own. So instead of achieving technological parity and becoming valid compe…

Have you forgotten about Parler?

They obviously did not have technological parity with Facebook, did they?

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by 4ggr0 » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

nightcracker wrote: post #45

tgv wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In The Netherlands there's the possibility for severe cases of depression, too. "Uitzichtloos lijden" (irremediable suffering ) is the magic phrase, and there is the fear that it could lead to older people deciding to euthanize when living conditions in homes for the elderly would be worsening. Not that that's bound to happen soon, but imagine not being able to tweet about it...

I think "Uitzichtloos lijden" is a term more emotionally powerful than "irremediable suffering" makes it seem. Maybe not legally, but in terms of what it conveys. "Uitzicht" is your view on the future. "Uitzichtloos" means your future is empty, have nothing to look forward to. As an adverb for suffering ("lijden") it conveys nothing but endless suffering, without future, without hope.

Could maybe be translated to "Hopeless Suffering", although that doesn't sound as good as the dutch/german version.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by macspoofing » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

jkingsbery wrote: post #64

It's a half-joke in Catholic media circles that making comments like this is likely to receive some kind of punishment on social media... I say "half-joke" because it happens extremely frequently and those writers in that world all know it happens and try to laugh about it. As someone in the tech world, I spend most of my time interacting with more "liberal" people. I don't hear about this happening with any frequenc…

When Dorsey was in front of a Senate committee just before election, the discrepancy in the types of questions between Democrats and Republicans was quite stark. Republicans were hammering Dorsey on censoring conservatives, and Democrats were hammering Dorsey for not censoring enough. Tells you all you need to know.