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Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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How to create one super successful email client. - Support IMAP IDLE - Support all the major business platforms: Web, Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android. - Support email encryption on a one off basis as needed. Nothing fancy just encrypt the email with AES256. Don't worry I'll get the key to the reipient. Why this would be super successful. 1) It would eliminate instant messaging for most business use. 2) Consistency, si…

FYI, two points from the Roadmap from the linked website:

> IMAP IDLE – This is the last big item blocking the release of a new stable version.

> Integrate Autocrypt support

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

#82
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Does this also mean older devices are forced into obsolescence? Since this is minsdk and not maxsdk it sounds like it, but there's still many apps that run on my 2018 device with Android 7 (and even 2012 device with 4.4) so that can't really be.

No it doesn't. It's about targetSdk, not minSdk.

Sorry, yes, I mean targetSdk not minSdk - though in practice they are linked.

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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> the best app if you want to use a custom SMTP/IMAP server instead of using a solution like hotmail/google/etc IMHO, it's also the best if you're using Gmail: Google has been breaking its UIs for years (both on the app and on the web), especially for people like me who try to use proper quoting and signatures, or to send plain text emails. Apart from some glitches with reflow, K-9 does that very well even with Googl…

One thing that confuses me about iOS devices is when a gmail account is added to the mail program. It isn’t clear if it is adding SMTP/IMAP or if it is doing some web app type configuration and if that gives Google more access to track device activity.

This sounds like the modern OAuth-based sign-in flow (for IMAP and SMTP connections, authenticated by OAuth).

This helps avoid app-specific passwords when you use 2FA, and lets users use their regular sign-in flow (which could include enterprise SSO, TOTP, U2F key etc).

I imagine that there's the ability for Google to set some cookies as part of that process, although knowing Apple, would not be surprised to learn they had sandboxed that instance of the browser, to prevent cookies persisting into regular Safari.

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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I struggle to understand why there hasn't been a release for 1.5 years, especially with a ~full time dev. I definitely struggle to udnerstand why IMAP IDLE is critical for a release. Edit: Oh, probably a minSDK force - i.e. the cost of standing still in mobile development.

> I definitely struggle to understand why IMAP IDLE is critical for a release. The functionality is present in the latest stable version, but needs to be reimplemented in the new version. As a user I would be upset if the app was updated and that feature taken away, even if it was only temporary.

Which leads to the question about why it was removed...

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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I'm surprised there's no work being done on the UI on the roadmap, K-9 looks like an app from the "Ice Cream Sandwich" days of Android. With that being said, K-9 is the best Android app I've seen for mail that isn't made by Google. edit: it seems the work has already been done, thanks for the correction.

I don't know, the UI is good. I like the "Ice Cream Sandwich" look, honestly. I wonder if the time of an open-source project is best served by re-doing the UI just to keep up with trends.

I think it's rarely worth the effort, but eventually they're forced into it. I really hate the current mobile software ecosystem. Hope we get something like the xfce of mobile environments at some point where things don't really change for decades.

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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Probably not the right app for your use cases, but check out Delta Chat for an example of how unobtrusive email encryption can be: https://delta.chat/

Delta Chat has a lot of good stuff. What I need and what I think most businesses need is Delta Email instead of Delta Chat.

I think business doesn't actually want Email, it wants NNTP. The semantics are different enough that both models have a reason to exist and complement each other:

- With email you write to a specific address. With NNTP you write to a group. In a business you almost always want to target multiple people, because activity is interesting (and relevant) to many people.

- To solve that we have a hack that is mailing lists; they work, but still only allow people to receive content _if they were in the recipient list from the beginning_. With NNTP the actual users are abstracted from the recipient, which allows people to read content in a group _even in the past_, or unsubscribe from a group and not bo bothered by new content

- Because it is ingrained in the protocol, creating/modifying/removing groups is easy to do, contrary to mailing lists. You don't need a special team to do that. Many times there is some content that needs to include multiple lists, but not everyone in those groups is relevant to the discussion... but you still include the different maliing lists because "that's the people who _might_ be interested". No more CC forwarding ad nauseam.

- Side-effect of having well-defined groups: because groups are more fluid they match better to actual people, and so the groups becomes a good denominator of what the "mail" might be about and whether it is important or not (compared to a sender and 189 random recipients)

Just look at the way the latest business IMs like Teams are working. They might not be perfect but they map much more to NNTP semantics, and have become the preferred way to communicate, even in long-ish form, rather than email.

(They do have one big advantage over NNTP though: message editing)

At this point, if a new software is needed anyway, we might as well ditch email and use a better protocol (even if it is not NNTP)

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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Not the only one - I started using Nine a year ago, after switching from something else that has been abandoned (I forget the name, but I'd been using it for years because it supported bypassing Exchange security lock down). Absolutely love Nine - it works marvellously with my own IMAP and SMTP servers, my work O365 etc. And everything in the UI is configurable. I think Nine is actually the only Android app I've ever…

I have licenses for both Nine and AquaMail with the same purpose (operates with work-required MFA via O365+adfs+RSASecureID token) and would highly encourage you to look at AquaMail. If you thought Nine was configurable, hold on to your hat - AquaMail is all that and more, I highly prefer AquaMail to Nine for business email.

I've been using Nine for ages and it's great*. How well does AquaMail work with Exchange / ActiveSync?

(*My only real complaint about Nine is if I try to import more than a few months worth of email history into the local cache it slows to a crawl and starts breaking. I'd pay for an app that locally indexes a few tens of GB of email history and makes it instantly searchable.)

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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I used K-9 back in my Android days (5+ years ago). It's biggest weakness was, and to my knowledge, still is, inability to support modern OAuth authentication schemes that Google and Microsoft have largely switched to. Sometimes I get a notification from a comment on the GitHub issue still. It used to be able to connect to Exchange servers, but hasn't been able to for nearly a decade.

What exactly do you need this for? If it's for authenticating with their IMAP/SMTP, app passwords have worked for me with Gmail, even on 2FA-secured G Suite accounts. No idea about Microsoft though.

Outlook supports app passwords too.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/using-ap...

Re: K-9 Mail is looking for funding

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> the best app if you want to use a custom SMTP/IMAP server instead of using a solution like hotmail/google/etc IMHO, it's also the best if you're using Gmail: Google has been breaking its UIs for years (both on the app and on the web), especially for people like me who try to use proper quoting and signatures, or to send plain text emails. Apart from some glitches with reflow, K-9 does that very well even with Googl…

jesus christ gmail is absolutely unusable both on the desktop and on mobile. the only way to make it usable again is to switch to the plain html mode, that uses no javascript, loads very fast, and reminds me a lot of the first gmail ui, back from ~15 years go.

Imagine if they just used an SSE or mixed-replace to update the plain html version in real-time when messages are received without JS. But we can’t have that (Google even unilaterally disabled mixed-replace in blink/Chrome/Chromium (except for continuing to support MJPEG) many, many years ago so no one else can do that either).
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