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Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by lunixbochs »

Xevi wrote: post #77
lunixbochs wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My project, Talon, is free and cross platform. It might have some options that can help you: https://talonvoice.com Some blog posts: - https://www.joshwcomeau.com/blog/hands-free-coding/ - https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/music/2021/01/18/Reaper-Day... - http://nsaphra.github.io/post/hands/ Some talks: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKYWt8B9hgs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU - https://media.ccc.de/v…

Thanks for the tip. I've come across Talon before, but never tried it. I can't use it at work because it would drive my co-workers insane, but maybe I could learn it for use at home. Can the commands be easily switched to non-english words? Also does it work with any language? I mainly use JS, HTML, CSS, Rust and C#. One of the reasons why I was thinking of buying a Mac to use Voice Control is because it also enables…

The main speech engine is English. Due to the large amount of open data available for English model training, even if you have a strong accent, you'll probably get better command accuracy by tweaking Englishy commands rather than trying to use a lower accuracy engine for your native language. (By Englishy I do mean you can say a non-existent or non-English word, ask the engine what it heard, and map that semi-phonetic result to a command.)

It's extremely customizable, there's plumbing in the open source config repo for programming language specific commands and adding support for new text editors and such. There is a dictation mode. The current public English engine isn't the best for dictation yet, but it supports switching engine between command/dictation mode.

There's an online WebSpeech dictation-only engine in the beta which has extremely good dictation accuracy for most languages, as well as vosk in the beta for offline dictation (vosk has e.g. a decent German model).

The Stenomask is one option for using voice control in an office environment where you don't want to make noise.

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by brailsafe »

I wish Microsoft would just put out a second version of the Sculpt keyboard. Nothing else on the market really appeals in the same way, and their surface keyboard is ridic expensive.

10 keyless, wireless, negative tilt, with chicklet keys and the same key layout. Maybe less loud keys with less action would be fine.

My stupid mechanical keyboard is in the closet, along with my Apple Bluetooth keyboard. At a desktop, the sculpt is the only thing I'll use.

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by joshwcomeau »

rlp wrote: post #74
joshwcomeau wrote: post #66

I’ve learned a lot about RSI over the past year, having spent about 8 months completely unable to type or use a mouse, trying dozens of things and talking to dozens of people. And the main thing I’ve learned is that every story is unique; the right thing for one person might be an absolutely terrible idea for another. Folks in the comments seem to be making pretty broad statements about what is good or bad, and I jus…

I totally agree, the prevailing RSI advice about posture and exercise and fancy chairs and input devices and taking breaks is not one-size-fits-all. In my case, Sarno's book showed me how my neurotic fixation on RSI was making it worse. I wrote this comment in 2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12990976 . My RSI continues to be totally gone (it's been gone 14+ years now, the RSI started a couple years before…

I wish I found your comment a year ago! I had cubital tunnel syndrome as well, and was days from spending a lot of money on the ulnar transposition surgery. It’s been ~4 months since then and it’s 95% better, and improving steadily

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by dsissitka »

aeturnum wrote: post #80

This seems like a good thread to ask - are there any split keyboards that have the "shared" keys (5/t/g/b and 6/y/h/n) on both sides? I have never found home-row typing comfortable and often move my hands around while typing, which means the hand I use to hit a letter can change from word to word. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone else, but it works for me and it's made enjoying split keyboards difficult.

If you place your hands on a normal keyboard and move your right hand three keys to the right does that feel split enough for you? If so, you might like one of those big 5x15 orthos:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99065.msg2733725#msg273...

You can do whatever you'd like with those three blank columns in the center.

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by chrisjarvis »

jarnagin wrote: post #10

A lot of people really underestimate the impact that mobility and strengthening can have addressing issues with RSI. If you're struggling with RSI, consider going to physical therapy as your condition may be caused by a wide variety of issues that aren't obvious based on the pain you're having. My own experience was that I dealt with ulnar nerve RSI for about a year. During that time I wore braces at night and tried…

I have had manageable but painful wrist pain in both wrists for about 2 years, and I worry about the long term because Im only 26 now. I had never thought of this as an avenue to explore even though Ive had good results in the past from pt for a weightlifting injury. Thanks!!

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by vemv »

> The wrists themselves should not be under strain or pressure, including wrist-rests

> The hands should move freely over the keyboard

> The idea of "less movement" is incorrect, and instead I should aim for "less stretching"

I've said these exact three things for nearly a decade. I wish there was an authoratiative source that clearly stated these for more people to understand and share.

It can be sad to see people apply various workarounds that fail to see these. Contorting your fingers or pinching your nerves aren't "preferences" - put it bluntly they come from ignorance.

I'd encourage anyone suffering RSI to create video footage of their hands over a work day. Do they look in a healthy, natural, relaxed position? Something that could be sustained for the rest of your life? If not please consider alternatives.

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by aeturnum »

dsissitka wrote: post #84
aeturnum wrote: post #80

This seems like a good thread to ask - are there any split keyboards that have the "shared" keys (5/t/g/b and 6/y/h/n) on both sides? I have never found home-row typing comfortable and often move my hands around while typing, which means the hand I use to hit a letter can change from word to word. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone else, but it works for me and it's made enjoying split keyboards difficult.

If you place your hands on a normal keyboard and move your right hand three keys to the right does that feel split enough for you? If so, you might like one of those big 5x15 orthos: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99065.msg2733725#msg273... You can do whatever you'd like with those three blank columns in the center.

I really like being able to 'tent' my keyboard like the Kinesis keyboards[1] - the higher the better. So I'd love a split model if one is available.

[1] https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/02/11/review-kinesis-free...

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by nomel »

accelbred wrote: post #54
throwaway_moo wrote: post #9

This is not excellent advice regarding the keyboard used. Instead: - learn about the risk factors: https://kinesis-ergo.com/solutions/keyboard-risk-factors/ Keep in mind that there are hundreds of tendons in our hands, so the pattern of inflammation is very personal. Anecdotes are not your friend. - use split keyboards (or any ergo keyboard with enough space between hands) with inclination to limit pronation - use or…

Typing on ortholinear is quite uncomfortable for me. I find column staggered to be far better. Also why would someone learning a new layout pick Dvorak when there are better alternatives like Colemak, Workman, or Colemak mod-DH? Theres softer mechanical keys too like silenced linears.

Dvorak is still the only one that's available on Windows, by default.

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by iKlsR »

I solved mine with pushups and light curls, just any physical strengthening task should help. It got so bad one time that I had to stop working at times, just exercising a few days a week and I don't even notice it at times.

Re: Typing, RSI, and what I do differently

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Post by rlp »

joshwcomeau wrote: post #83
rlp wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree, the prevailing RSI advice about posture and exercise and fancy chairs and input devices and taking breaks is not one-size-fits-all. In my case, Sarno's book showed me how my neurotic fixation on RSI was making it worse. I wrote this comment in 2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12990976 . My RSI continues to be totally gone (it's been gone 14+ years now, the RSI started a couple years before…

I wish I found your comment a year ago! I had cubital tunnel syndrome as well, and was days from spending a lot of money on the ulnar transposition surgery. It’s been ~4 months since then and it’s 95% better, and improving steadily

That's great! Like you, it did take me a while to get to 100%. Old habits die hard, I guess. You really know you're there when you realize you forgot to think about RSI for a whole week/month/whatever.
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