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Can’t Find an N95 Mask? This Company Has 30M That It Can’t Sell

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I recently ordered N95 masks from http://clinicalsuppliesusa.com/ (no affiliation) I actually didn't know they were even available, after being told by officials to use cloth masks for 10+ months I stopped looking. I was surprised how easy and available they were. EDIT: As others have pointed out their website is down. It was working as recently as 1 month ago. Sorry!

I go there and I see "Only one step left! To finish setting up your new web address, go to your domain settings, click "Connect existing domain", and enter: clinicalsuppliesusa.com"

Ha! Good catch. It was working on Jan 4th which is when I placed my order.

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I recently ordered N95 masks from http://clinicalsuppliesusa.com/ (no affiliation) I actually didn't know they were even available, after being told by officials to use cloth masks for 10+ months I stopped looking. I was surprised how easy and available they were. EDIT: As others have pointed out their website is down. It was working as recently as 1 month ago. Sorry!

> I actually didn't know they were even available, after being told by officials to use cloth masks for 10+ months I stopped looking. I was surprised how easy and available they were. Your link doesn't work anymore, but K N95-style masks have been quite readily available for at least 6 months now, if not more. Though most of them seem to be of iffy quality/fit in my experience. Sometimes they're marketed at N95, but…

I bought N95 NIOSH masks. Like most US consumers I searched Amazon occasionally to see if the market was again offering them to consumers but it took a post here on HN, for me to Google and find a US-based supplier. I'm happy to have them, and have given some to my elderly parents.

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#83
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Thankfully they are not valved, people who wear valved masks are worse than anti-maskers.

Worse than anti-maskers? At least someone wearing a valved mask is reducing the risk that he/she will get COVID in the first place and, thus, become a spreader. Masks that don't filter exhalations can still contribute to reducing R0.

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This guy isn’t hustling as hard as he should be. If you can’t get deals because of the old boys club of buyers and suppliers you gotta do some guerrilla marketing. Learn which hospitals are struggling with masks. Lease a bunch of U-Haul/Ryder trucks and fill them with masks. Park them in front of the hospitals with massive banners on the side: “50,000 made in USA n95 masks inside. Call 555-555-5555” Pretty soon you’l…

> you gotta do some guerrilla marketing Like getting a piece in the nytimes? > Or start selling direct to consumer using marketplaces like Amazon. Per the article, most consumer destinations ban any mask advertising because of scalping.

Yeah after this article they'll be fine.

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#85
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I actually didn't know they were even available, after being told by officials to use cloth masks for 10+ months I stopped looking. I was surprised how easy and available they were. Your link doesn't work anymore, but K N95-style masks have been quite readily available for at least 6 months now, if not more. Though most of them seem to be of iffy quality/fit in my experience. Sometimes they're marketed at N95, but…

I bought N95 NIOSH masks. Like most US consumers I searched Amazon occasionally to see if the market was again offering them to consumers but it took a post here on HN, for me to Google and find a US-based supplier. I'm happy to have them, and have given some to my elderly parents.

> I bought N95 NIOSH masks. Like most US consumers I searched Amazon occasionally to see if the market was again offering them to consumers but it took a post here on HN, for me to Google and find a US-based supplier. I'm happy to have them, and have given some to my elderly parents.

I did the same, but I managed to get them before the supply closed off (I have a box of US-made 3M 8210s that has literally been to China and back). I got some KN95s, but only use them when I'd have used an N95 previously (e.g. sanding).

I had no idea about these new US manufacturers, but if their product is NIOSH approved then I think I'd be happy with them.

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> These businesses must overcome the ingrained purchasing habits of hospital systems, medical supply distributors and state governments. I’m guessing this is the real crux of the problem. They’re trying to sell to some of the most glacial organizations on planet. The bigger the organization, the slower it moves. Purchasing cycles can take anywhere from 6 months to YEARS if you’re talking big business or government. T…

I don't agree with this. I run ArmbrustUSA and can make about 1MM masks per day, and we started at the same time as this company. I think they are just bad at sales. We have government and hospital contracts. But, we are really good at sales. My team is really good at sales. Previously, My President and head of sales ran a medical sales division at a company with 300 sales people. We have about 17 sales folks. And we…

Really off topic, but I'm rather impressed you were able to get up and running so fast. Did you have a ton of experience in this space ? Did you have to raise funding ?

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> The problem is getting consumers to their retail websites. At the moment, anyone trying to buy N95 masks on Google Shopping or Facebook Marketplace is greeted with a blank page; on Amazon, a search for N95s yields a welter of vendors hawking KN95 masks, a Chinese-made equivalent that researchers say is less effective. > “How is it that you can spread conspiracy theories on Facebook, but we can’t sell N95 masks to t…

> welter of vendors hawking KN95 masks, a Chinese-made equivalent that researchers say is less effective. Citation? Ther actual written standards of N95 vs KN95 are very similar, and if anything KN95 is probably slightly better. To meet KN95, the mask must be shown not to let air pass around the edges even while doing vigorous exercise, whereas N95 has no such requirement. This is notable in the shape of N95 and KN95…

> Citation? Ther actual written standards of N95 vs KN95 are very similar, and if anything KN95 is probably slightly better. To meet KN95, the mask must be shown not to let air pass around the edges even while doing vigorous exercise, whereas N95 has no such requirement.

In my experience, actual KN95s have extensive leakage, especially around the nose. One factor may be that Western faces and Asian faces are different, and my understanding is that the KN95 standard and masks are tailored to Asian facial structures.

For instance, this is an assessment of a KN95 style mask I actually bought at a Menard's clearance a few months ago. It definitely has fit problems around my nose.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/respirators/testing/results/...

> While the above-listed product classification has similar performance requirements to NIOSH-approved devices, NIOSH does not have knowledge about the sustained manufacturer quality system and product quality control for these products. NIOSH also does not have knowledge about the product’s handling and exposures after leaving its manufacturer’s control.

> In addition, this product is an ear loop design. Currently, there are no NIOSH-approved products with ear loops; NIOSH-approved N95s have head bands. Furthermore,limited assessment of ear loop designs, indicate difficulty achieving a proper fit. While filter efficiency shows how well the filter media performs, users mustensure a proper fit is achieved.

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#88
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Their shop ( https://shop.demetech.us ) ships only to United States, Canada and Mexico... so I am unable to buy it the easy way...

I've had a good experience with freight forwarding services like MyUS.com and shipito.com. It works like this: You basically rent a bit of shelf space in a warehouse somewhere in the USA and get your personal shipping address in that warehouse. Your unique address is identified by a unique "suite number" in the mailing address. You have stores send your packages there and the freight forwarder optionally holds them f…

This is true (I also have a MyUS account)! But then you have a "customs clearance procedure" and some shops will reject non-US credit cards - like Lenovo US - and you have to call support and "fight-it-through" or use virtual US credit card like that on privacy.com... So yes, it works, but has "unknown obstacles"...

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#89

This guy isn’t hustling as hard as he should be. If you can’t get deals because of the old boys club of buyers and suppliers you gotta do some guerrilla marketing. Learn which hospitals are struggling with masks. Lease a bunch of U-Haul/Ryder trucks and fill them with masks. Park them in front of the hospitals with massive banners on the side: “50,000 made in USA n95 masks inside. Call 555-555-5555” Pretty soon you’l…

"Hustling" tends to get viewed as "price gouging". Reminds me of a story from 2006 during Katrina.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1954352

Shepperson thought he could help and make some money, too, so he bought 19 generators. He and his family then rented a U-Haul and drove 600 miles to an area of Mississippi that was left without power in the wake of the hurricane.

He offered to sell his generators for twice what he had paid for them, and people were eager to buy. Police confiscated his generators, though, and Shepperson was jailed for four days for price-gouging. His generators are still in police custody.

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#90

This guy isn’t hustling as hard as he should be. If you can’t get deals because of the old boys club of buyers and suppliers you gotta do some guerrilla marketing. Learn which hospitals are struggling with masks. Lease a bunch of U-Haul/Ryder trucks and fill them with masks. Park them in front of the hospitals with massive banners on the side: “50,000 made in USA n95 masks inside. Call 555-555-5555” Pretty soon you’l…

"Hustling" tends to get viewed as "price gouging". Reminds me of a story from 2006 during Katrina. https://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1954352 Shepperson thought he could help and make some money, too, so he bought 19 generators. He and his family then rented a U-Haul and drove 600 miles to an area of Mississippi that was left without power in the wake of the hurricane. He offered to sell his generators for…

His crime was obvious: sidestepping Amazon and eBay.
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