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Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#81

Post by selimthegrim »

actuator wrote: post #80
selimthegrim wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think Nehru didn't want to weaken Sikhs I have a Ram Setu to sell you.

Weaken them by making a state where electoral prospects are just decided by them? That is just counter intuitive. If you don't divide the state, they aren't in the majority anymore but it does increase the administrative burden. Also, you are talking about the same person who gave away land in other states, even the Himalayan ones to the community. They had very limited presence there before. If you read the history…

They wanted all of Punjab to be theirs, no? Not sharing a capital with Haryana. I would think they were settling, if they got a more compact state. What I will say is that Sikhs I met in USA were not happy with say splitting Chandigarh.

>Punjab and Haryana have different dominant languages

A lot of Punjabi-speaking Hindus "chose" Hindi for that to be true IIRC.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#82

Post by actuator »

selimthegrim wrote: post #81
actuator wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weaken them by making a state where electoral prospects are just decided by them? That is just counter intuitive. If you don't divide the state, they aren't in the majority anymore but it does increase the administrative burden. Also, you are talking about the same person who gave away land in other states, even the Himalayan ones to the community. They had very limited presence there before. If you read the history…

They wanted all of Punjab to be theirs, no? Not sharing a capital with Haryana. I would think they were settling, if they got a more compact state. What I will say is that Sikhs I met in USA were not happy with say splitting Chandigarh. >Punjab and Haryana have different dominant languages A lot of Punjabi-speaking Hindus "chose" Hindi for that to be true IIRC.

> I would think they were settling, if they got a more compact state.

It is not like any land exchange happened. Sure, some resources got divided but I wouldn't see it as settling. If you read analysis about management of big states, even now a lot of analysts believe some of the other big states should be split up.

> What I will say is that Sikhs I met in USA were not happy with say splitting Chandigarh.

Well, that's not representative of them, no? I have also met people who are not happy with that decision and also people who are indifferent to it.

> A lot of Punjabi-speaking Hindus "chose" Hindi for that to be true IIRC.

Not really, look at any language census from before as well in the districts that became the new state.

But the linguistic issue is not just limited to that state. Look at the northern Himalayan states and look at what has happened to their languages. Hindi has just subsumed their languages with its words and now most people speak Hindi only. This situation is made worse because of the necessity of English as a language, their own mother tongue kind of becomes third in the priority list.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#83

Post by TriNetra »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #5

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/jammu-and-kashmir/story/sout... They just banned internet for million or so people in Kashmir. Outright internet vban, twitter ban is nothing

It's now lifted [0]. I'd not like any ban on freedom – however the ban was on the geographic area and anyone living in there had been effected of course. Hopefully things will only improve from here.

Being running a purely internet business I can completely understand the pain and frustration it would have caused. However, if I see the bigger picture, Lack of ban would have caused hundred of lives in the aftermath of change in constitutional status of the J&K. It's like lockdown that we all had to endure to save lives.

You have the right to your opinion but this is how I see it.

Take Care

0: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kashmir-internet-4g-...

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#84

Post by kr4 »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #40
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kashmir was covered even less. Remember the ethnic cleansing in the 90s? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

yes. 219 deaths and 100k displaced against 100k deaths https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres >an estimated 20,000–100,000 Muslims were massacred. yes. you are right. i do remember displacement but it does not hold a candle to 1947 jammu massacres. what do you think? who are more important? 100k deaths or 219? https://www.thehindu.com/news/ldquo219-Kashmiri-Pandits-kill... https://theprint.in/pageturner…

SO you're justifying 1990 killings and displacement of Pandits as a revenge for 1947? From the same Wikipedia article you linked also has a similar justification then for 1947 Jamu vilence:

> the Jammu province which was contiguous to Punjab, experienced mass migration that led to violent inter-religious activity. Large numbers of Hindus and Sikhs from Rawalpindi and Sialkot started arriving since March 1947, bringing "harrowing stories of Muslim atrocities in West Punjab". According to scholar Ilyas Chattha, this provoked counter-violence on Jammu Muslims, which had "many parallels with that in Sialkot". He writes, "the Kashmiri Muslims were to pay a heavy price in September–October 1947 for the earlier violence of West Punjab."

Additionally, Pandits have been on the receiving end - once a majority of the Kashmiri population about 600 years ago. Seven times at least they've been forced to exit, countless killed or forcefully converted to Islam https://www.quora.com/What-atrocities-were-committed-on-Kash... But despite all this, Pandits have never opted for taking arms in hands and become terrorist killing civilians.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#85

Post by amriksohata »

I remember when Twitter was trending pro-Labour trends everyday in the last election you would think they were going to win. But Tories did. I think it shows how much of an echo chamber each social media platform can be.

Rihannas tweeted about some political protest, but it was later established she was paid for the tweet. SM platforms have a responsbility to declare political endorsements.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#86

Post by 2Gkashmiri »

kr4 wrote: post #84
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes. 219 deaths and 100k displaced against 100k deaths https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres >an estimated 20,000–100,000 Muslims were massacred. yes. you are right. i do remember displacement but it does not hold a candle to 1947 jammu massacres. what do you think? who are more important? 100k deaths or 219? https://www.thehindu.com/news/ldquo219-Kashmiri-Pandits-kill... https://theprint.in/pageturner…

SO you're justifying 1990 killings and displacement of Pandits as a revenge for 1947? From the same Wikipedia article you linked also has a similar justification then for 1947 Jamu vilence: > the Jammu province which was contiguous to Punjab, experienced mass migration that led to violent inter-religious activity. Large numbers of Hindus and Sikhs from Rawalpindi and Sialkot started arriving since March 1947, bringin…

what is wrong with you.... i am explaining how there are even bigger attrocities committed on either side. besides, pandits in kashmir are ethnically different from jammu dogras, ones who committed 1947 massacres so why would you even think i'd justify something. this is the kind of vile thinking that is of no direct consequence to you that is causing immeasurable harm to kashmiris

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#87

Post by cscurmudgeon »

mandeepj wrote: post #54
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more nuanced. The peaceful protestors got violent. They attacked the Red fort and flew flags for a separatist movement after bringing down the Indian flag. Such an attack on democracy should not be allowed.

>after bringing down the Indian flag Indian flag was not even touched. Stop spreading lies. There's not even a single other instance where flag was disrespected during last 4+ months. So, why it happened only there? It was conspired and scripted by govt to malign the movement. The entry gates were also not secure.

Why did they fly a religious flag?

There is no excuse for political violence in a democracy.

Those who committed it and their enablers and supporters should be brought to justice.

Don’t spread conspiracy theories without evidence.

Police are strict - you blame the govt. Police are lax - you blame the govt.

No winning with anti democratic forces.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#88

Post by cscurmudgeon »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #40
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kashmir was covered even less. Remember the ethnic cleansing in the 90s? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

yes. 219 deaths and 100k displaced against 100k deaths https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres >an estimated 20,000–100,000 Muslims were massacred. yes. you are right. i do remember displacement but it does not hold a candle to 1947 jammu massacres. what do you think? who are more important? 100k deaths or 219? https://www.thehindu.com/news/ldquo219-Kashmiri-Pandits-kill... https://theprint.in/pageturner…

You left out Hindus massacred in 1947. And over the centuries, turning a Hindu majority region into a Hindu minority one.

You made my point.

India’s democratically elected govt has the legal right to block the internet to prevent such massacres in the future.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#89

Post by 2Gkashmiri »

TriNetra wrote: post #83
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #5

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/jammu-and-kashmir/story/sout... They just banned internet for million or so people in Kashmir. Outright internet vban, twitter ban is nothing

It's now lifted [0]. I'd not like any ban on freedom – however the ban was on the geographic area and anyone living in there had been effected of course. Hopefully things will only improve from here. Being running a purely internet business I can completely understand the pain and frustration it would have caused. However, if I see the bigger picture, Lack of ban would have caused hundred of lives in the aftermath of…

sorry for the late reply, didnt see it earlier.

Your words sound like you support implementing laws, then clamping down on any avenues of dissent until things cool down aka people get tired and carry on all the while the motive behind laws is achieved, people be damned? that so? is that what is meant by "democracy" in 2021 ?

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#90

Post by mandeepj »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #87
mandeepj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>after bringing down the Indian flag Indian flag was not even touched. Stop spreading lies. There's not even a single other instance where flag was disrespected during last 4+ months. So, why it happened only there? It was conspired and scripted by govt to malign the movement. The entry gates were also not secure.

Why did they fly a religious flag? There is no excuse for political violence in a democracy. Those who committed it and their enablers and supporters should be brought to justice. Don’t spread conspiracy theories without evidence. Police are strict - you blame the govt. Police are lax - you blame the govt. No winning with anti democratic forces.

> Don’t spread conspiracy theories without evidence.

Have some strength to hear the facts

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