A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Post by solarmist » Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

m463 wrote: post #80

Your Apple iOS device still doesn't let you: - figure out if and when your apps are active - figure out if your apps using the network - figure out what sites are they contacting - block network access Additionally apple collects tons of data. On iOS it is not blockable. Even coarse data like your zipcode can be used to raise prices. On macos, they may have updated it so the third-party Little Snitch can block apple…

Sure, it's not perfect, but it still miles a head of everyone else in consumer tech.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Post by gonehome » Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 7:31 PM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #77

gonehome wrote: post #75

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If it doesn't affect small businesses then who is buying all of the FB ads? If you look through your ad feed what do you see? When I had FB, most of the ads were for products (or services) from small businesses. Maybe you can dispute small, but that was the majority. > "Sellers on Etsy?" I think that'd be included yeah, also anyone with a shopify store, etc. I'm not the right person to ask but I'd believe there's lar…

> When I had FB, most of the ads were for products (or services) from small businesses. What makes you think the quantity of quality of advertising on Facebook is going to change? They still have: - Your location - A list of what you post about, what you link, what photos you've shared, what activities you've attended, what groups you are in, etc etc. - All of the above about many of you friends and family members ju…

We don't really disagree, FB, Google, and Amazon will be less affected by this change than everyone else that can't do all of the things you're suggesting. That's the harm Stratechery is talking about.

The affect on FB ads specifically I don't know, I'd suspect it being harder for FB to be as effective with targeting which could make the ads less useful (and that could harm small businesses that use them).

The ability for other non-megacorp companies to understand their customers is more the issue.

I think you're focusing on a narrow thing and ignoring the rest.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Post by ogre_codes » Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 7:52 PM UTC

gonehome wrote: post #82

ogre_codes wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I had FB, most of the ads were for products (or services) from small businesses. What makes you think the quantity of quality of advertising on Facebook is going to change? They still have: - Your location - A list of what you post about, what you link, what photos you've shared, what activities you've attended, what groups you are in, etc etc. - All of the above about many of you friends and family members ju…

We don't really disagree, FB, Google, and Amazon will be less affected by this change than everyone else that can't do all of the things you're suggesting. That's the harm Stratechery is talking about. The affect on FB ads specifically I don't know, I'd suspect it being harder for FB to be as effective with targeting which could make the ads less useful (and that could harm small businesses that use them). The abilit…

I think the emphasis on small businesses is a distraction from the main point. (See it's working!)

Fundamentally, whether this is going to favor the mega-corps or not, I don't want people tracking me. I don't want companies having the sort of information Facebook and Google have, they've demonstrated they are poor stewards of our data. At the same time, I don't want additional companies to gain access to a stream of information about me, regardless of whether that helps FB and GOOG or not.

If helping FB and GOOG is the cost of keeping more information about myself (My family, etc) private, then I guess I'm Ok with that. It's the lesser of 2 evils.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Post by user-the-name » Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

Cilvic wrote: post #50

user-the-name wrote: post #27

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APNS is the notification service? Notification tokens are randomly generated, and are refreshed regularly. I have heard zero suggestion anywhere that they would be used for any kind of tracking, other than routing notifications to the correct device.

>I have heard zero suggestion anywhere that they would be used for any kind of tracking Yet it could. GP just said Apple has the info and it can't be turned off. Which I find interesting in the context of the PDF above.

Has what info?