Meanwhile, lots of questionable groups still thrive on Facebook.
Facebook shuts popular stock trading group amid GameStop frenzy
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#82I can see why shutting down far right wing extremist groups can be justified (or for that matter, far left wing extremists as well). But some folks meme'ing about stocks? Come on. Edit: If you're spewing hatred on me for some kind of retribution, shame on you. This isn't a place for that.
It turns out that handing the public square to centralized control ends badly. Who knew! You reap what you sow.
I think this is taking too far into what I was intending.
I am all for removing violence and terrorism groups from social media. At the same time, I am against censorship from these companies in other matters.
The responses here are disgusting, contemptful and vile for what I thought was a reasonable stance.
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"It's a private company, they can do what they want!"
Just build your own website bro Just build your own host bro Just build your own financial banking system bro just build your own social media platform bro just build your own payment processing platform bro just build your own internet infrastructure bro
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#85If people are wondering what other options there out there to protect WSB and other groups from obnoxious band like this, might I suggest Mastodon? You can self host and be a part of the network. The tricky part to replicate the user capacity for WSB would probably require a lot of build out and probably someplace the servers can’t be killed by the ISP or data center (Russia?).
I along with a few other friends have messaged the moderators and a few other notable figures on Reddit about this. Nobody has responded for obvious reasons.
Would like to see them continue doing what they’re doing outside the grasp of the money strings controlling politics and the economy.
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#86Are there any good decentralized message boards? Biggest question seems to be how does the community deal with spam (and spam taking a large amount of space). But other than that I could see a lot of people willing to host nodes for free.
Doesn't need to be decentralized, just a phpBB forum behind Cloudflare would still work. Cloudflare is one of the few companies that hasn't become censor-happy (except that one time..)
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Discord has since taken the stance of helping the mods, instead of permaban. I liked hearing that news earlier today. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/28/22254339/discord-r-wallst...
Discord seems to be the one of the least bad of the social/ messaging platforms.
For now. Wait till they get bigger and Vice or the NYT writes an article about how Discord is a "safe haven for hate speech and white supremacy".
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You know, you can be against Facebook providing a platform to extremist/neo-nazis groups, and also think Facebook has overall too much power and presence. It's not "you reap what you sow" and you're not handing GP some funny "gotcha". It's just plain obvious decency. Some people don't get that, and then they're surprised that most normal humans think it's suspicious, as if they don't get it on purpose . Then they get…
If you put too much comparative value on keeping the boot on Bad People's necks, you'll help close off methods to shift influence away from e.g. Facebook. If a lot of people move to e.g. the fediverse facebook equivalent, that shifts power away from facebook and makes it harder to deplatform people. So your two listed goals are in competition. That's why I'm saying you reap what you sow: you wanted a world where peop…
> So your two listed goals are in competition. That's why I'm saying you reap what you sow: you wanted a world where people can be deplatformed, and you got it.
I don't "want a world where people can be deplatformed". I am 100% in favour of better censorship resistance, open messaging, etc and I 100% think whatever "bad" comes out of a system like that would be far outweighed by the good it brings.
But that doesn't mean I'm against Facebook deplatforming assholes. Hell I'm against Facebook as a whole, but as far as their current role in society plays? They have a stupid amount of influence over large swathes of the population and that's a problem.
The problem is no matter how I phrase this, you'll think I'm in favour of Facebook "censoring people"; whereas my position is that Facebook has actively given new tools for assholes to spread hateful messages, including not just the groups systems but active recommendations, advertising, sorting algorithms which prioritize engagement (read: flamewars), etc.
In short: I'm in favour of Signal and against Facebook. How's that contradictory?
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#89Why do they even pretend to give a reason anymore. Just close it. Nobody is buying the "hate speech" "adult sexual exploitation" whatever arguments, and honestly it just makes facebook look like liars. Just delete the group and say: "It violated our terms of service". That's probably also a lie, but at least it's a little less obnoxious.
If you manage a community that is even remotely controversial, you’d better start asking your community for their email address, as an emergency backup.
Possibly even ask for their phone number.
Though it's tempting, don't message them at all. Just hang onto it.
Only use it to if your community is banned and you need to start over somewhere else. Then email/text them the location of the new community.
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#90I can see why shutting down far right wing extremist groups can be justified (or for that matter, far left wing extremists as well). But some folks meme'ing about stocks? Come on. Edit: If you're spewing hatred on me for some kind of retribution, shame on you. This isn't a place for that.
Fence-sitters like you are who gave them this power in the first place. Free speech is not "ban who you don't like but allow what I like." It's all or nothing.
Please don't be rude and blameful. Also, freedom of speech cannot be all or nothing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance