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Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

#81

It seems to me that a way to potentially creep up on google would be to make a specialist search engine. Some topic area that google is not so useful for searching on. Make a search system that 'understands' the domain in question, allowing it to index and search it really effectively. As a random example, say, a movies search engine. If it could be consistently more useful than google for finding out information abo…

you mean like octopart?

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

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post #47

Three major problems that I see right off the bat: 1.) Quality of Search-- In order to be successful, the quality of their search must be at least as good as Google (obviously it much more helpful if it's better). As many have noted, this clearly is not the case right now, and slightly complex queries such as "Linux search and remove multiple files" return zero results. 2.) Revenue Stream-- As noted above, it is goin…

One big part of quality of search is figuring out which sites people click on when they search for something and making that result more relevant. I can't imagine Cuil not doing that, and over time their results will probably get a lot better. Considering they started off with no data like this, not bad so far.

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

#83

It seems to me that a way to potentially creep up on google would be to make a specialist search engine. Some topic area that google is not so useful for searching on. Make a search system that 'understands' the domain in question, allowing it to index and search it really effectively. As a random example, say, a movies search engine. If it could be consistently more useful than google for finding out information abo…

imdb for your movie example.

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

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post #26

Trying to like this but failing. It didn't get even decent results for any of the queries I fed it. I wonder if competing head-on with Google is a wise strategy. It's really hard to beat them without years of effort, and until then no one wants to use your site. There must be some other way.

Same for me. I tried two test queries and had none of the results that I wanted to see (which I do see on Google).

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

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post #8

At least Cuil has some respect for privacy: "We do not keep logs of our users’ search activity." "We analyze the Web, not our users. Read our Privacy Policy for details. It’s short." http://www.cuil.com/info/privacy/

"We're working on a new subway system. We're going to base its layout on building patterns rather than where our riders actually go. It would be a violation of privacy, and just plain wrong to check which buses are crowded."

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

#86
post #78

It seems to me that a way to potentially creep up on google would be to make a specialist search engine. Some topic area that google is not so useful for searching on. Make a search system that 'understands' the domain in question, allowing it to index and search it really effectively. As a random example, say, a movies search engine. If it could be consistently more useful than google for finding out information abo…

What you should make is a specialist search engine for hackers. They're the early adopters in search engines, so if you get them you have the quickest path to getting everyone else. Imagine how alarmed Google would be if there were a different search engine the top 10k hackers all used, even if they had everyone else. And rightly so. http://news.ycombinator.com/apply ...

That's optimistic, but to be successful with "hackers" the search engine would most likely have to steer its user experience in directions that wouldn't appeal to an everyday user. Typically, us geeks want both maximum control and elegant usability, always preferring control to usability. With most users, the inverse is true.

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

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post #79

Searching Cuil for 'cuil' results in a lot of hits, none being their site. Searching Google for 'cuil' has them up at number one, plus news results from today's PR bash. That's a big ball of fail.

My search for 'cuil' on Cuil was even worse, leading to zero results, while a search for 'Cuil' yields lots of results (but, as you noted, not cuil.com itself). So it looks like Cuil is case-sensitive as well as incomplete.

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

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post #76
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why does it matter which result is #1 if you can find what you are looking for on the first page in the first row or first column?

Well one of the things about Google that I really like is that they really make a lot of effort to make sure that the #1 result is the page you actually want. It's part of the whole 'Feeling Lucky' thing. I'd rather not have to read through the entire search results page to figure out which one is the most relevant.. that's the search engine's job! In other words, don't make me think. :)

How much do you think: input the right keywords, get results in the top 1,2,3, has to do with the feedback system of using google over the past few years?

I agree on the don't make me think part.

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

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post #78

It seems to me that a way to potentially creep up on google would be to make a specialist search engine. Some topic area that google is not so useful for searching on. Make a search system that 'understands' the domain in question, allowing it to index and search it really effectively. As a random example, say, a movies search engine. If it could be consistently more useful than google for finding out information abo…

What you should make is a specialist search engine for hackers. They're the early adopters in search engines, so if you get them you have the quickest path to getting everyone else. Imagine how alarmed Google would be if there were a different search engine the top 10k hackers all used, even if they had everyone else. And rightly so. http://news.ycombinator.com/apply ...

Heh. I'm not amongst the top 10k, but I've been cursing yesterday, trying to use search to find out in what version / gem of ruby {|[]| } is a valid block (with just being random variable names). And a week before that the same problem when trying to find out what &@/ ment in a mathematica script.

Search engines tend to ignore symbols in normal search, and while you can search for symbols in google's code search, that doesn't include any documentation or pages where they explain a particular syntax.

Re: Ex-Google engineers debut 'Cuil' way to search

#90
post #60
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you call it unproven? When I google for Python I get stuff related to programming because of my search history, when a zoologist looks for Pythons he'll see stuff related to snakes.

I search for python pretty regularly on Google. My recent, logged-in, searches for 'python gecko' resulted in a bunch of reptile sellers.

BTW: your comment comes up 6th on my google search for 'python gecko'.

When logged out, the search results are slightly differently ordered.

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