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Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#81

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There's more than one explanation as to why "mainstream media" might not run a story. The NY Post isn't exactly known as a bastion of credible journalism. That's why they ran the Hunter Biden laptop story when everyone else passed because they couldn't verify it.

Couldn’t verify? Or refused to try?

Tried, hard, and found that it was not substantive.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#82
post #68

Folks, let's assume that the Twitter mod saw this and did not classify it as child porn. How can a twitter mod decide if it's child porn (as opposed to just 'porn')? I am not sure there is a proper solution for this. How can they verify the age of an unknown person?

And consider the volume of false claims Twitter receives each day.

If everyone reported tweets that were CSAM just to take down a random post they disagree with, I'm sure moderators would make the occasional false negative.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#83

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I think the odds of US moderators being any sort of majority or anything close to that is slim to zero. The savings are astronomical and is the same reason customer support of all kinds, even IT help, is outsourced. US mods are most likely a minority and a face.

Why say this? You’re making things up and you happen to be wrong.

Economics always prevails and that is on the side of my argument. Its also industry standard. Do you have a source for me being wrong?

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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I guess in 2021, HNers think the NY Post is a legitimate media outlet straining for objectivity, rather than the tabloid rag that they are. And I guess we'll all have a highly partisan discussion over it despite the Post obviously having a huge axe to grind against Twitter, further calling into question their "reporting".

So you’re saying that NY Post fabricated the lawsuit that has been filed in court? Having an axe to grind doesn’t turn a fact into a falsehood.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#85

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There's more than one explanation as to why "mainstream media" might not run a story. The NY Post isn't exactly known as a bastion of credible journalism. That's why they ran the Hunter Biden laptop story when everyone else passed because they couldn't verify it.

I agree with the overall sentiment of your post, but using the Hunter Biden laptop story as an example is an unfortunate choice. There's a popular view that politics had a lot to do with who picked up the story and who didn't, as opposed to just the strength of the case itself. I would recommend picking a less controversial example that highlights the shortcomings of NY Post's journalism, such as their reporting on t…

Ahem. You mean alleged (by Rudy Giuliani, the least credible source in the continental United States) "Hunter Biden" laptop.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#86

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I think the odds of US moderators being any sort of majority or anything close to that is slim to zero. The savings are astronomical and is the same reason customer support of all kinds, even IT help, is outsourced. US mods are most likely a minority and a face.

Why say this? You’re making things up and you happen to be wrong.

If the user is wrong, please substantiate your accusation. As far as I know, they are absolutely right. If they're not right, where is your source?

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#87

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> This is not some algorithmic failure that no human saw -it was specifically examined by a human with managers setting policy, and deemed to be acceptable to distribute. Or, you know, the claims in the lawsuit are false. This wouldn't be the first time that happened.

Considering that this is NYPost, its quite possible. I don't really consider NYPost to be a very respectable institution.

Do you think the NYPost fabricated the existence of the lawsuit? As far as I can tell, the lawsuit really does exist.

Given the nature of the lawsuit, concerning material that is illegal to view, I don't think any journalists, whether from a fishwrapper like the NYPost or a venerable institution like the NYTimes, would be able to verify the claims made by the lawsuit.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Not to fall into the category of being "defeatist" even more, but platforms that actually pose a threat to the established social media channels (like Parler did), get a very special kind of treatment by the "FAANG-cartel" as you might have noticed. The solution is political change, imo, irregardless of all the problems that come with policing a multinational website like Twitter.

I think the argument can be made MeWe and Substack actually pose more of a threat to the established order because they are mainstream. Parler isn't competing with Twitter or Facebook because the average person doesn't want to see a feed full of white supremacist's discussing conspiracy theories.

You’re far more likely to see that on Twitter than you were on Parler.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Here’s the lawsuit brought by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation: https://www.scribd.com/document/491614044/Doe-v-Twitter

It's worth noting that the NCSE (formerly known as Morality in Media) is completely against pornography of any type.

Why is that worth noting?

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

#90

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Start reading a single (non porn related) message from one these creeps and your Twitter timeline will be inundated with illegal porn content in no time. Twitter is absolutely rife with that horrible stuff, and Twitter certainly does the minimum to remove any of that, as demonstrated by that article. Why even give the benefit of the doubt? Someone reports CP, remove it, period. Of course, Twitter makes money off it..…

"People claim Twitter can't possibly moderate content at scale, except that Twitter makes money at that same scale." I'm sorry, but is that supposed to be a logical argument? Because it doesn't actually make any sense. Twitter is a platform that allows pretty much anyone with an internet connection to post content. There were, on average, 500 million tweets posted per day last year. So on one side you have the set of…

And yet the App Store hasn’t banned Twitter as they did Parler. If the media started reporting about pedophilic content on Twitter and that Twitter’s TOS explicitly allowed pedophiles to discuss their attractions, would the tech gatekeepers continue to allow Twitter? Because this stuff isn’t a secret, but Twitter hasn’t been banned which makes it pretty clear that the Parler and related bans were politically motivated rather than protecting people from harmful content.

But we let Twitter get away with these things because the Blue Checks are mostly leftist or hard-left politically and they’d lose their minds if Twitter were banned from app stores.

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