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DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by _wka6 »

bjeds wrote: post #60
ryanlol wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting to see the kinds of mental gymnastics these threads attract from folks seeking to defend their favourite nazi site. LACNIC really fucked up by enforcing their rules that require you to actually be doing business in Latin America, how horrible!

This is so tiring. I'm a Swedish man. Last time I visited the US was several years ago. I'm not particularly sympathetic towards Donald Trump or Parler. I'm definitely not here to defend nazism. Not sure if it's intended, but if you intend to get sympathy and support for your cause (whatever that is) by calling me a nazi or implying my interest in internet infrastructure has anything to do with supporting nazism, the…

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by grayfaced »

squibbles wrote: post #10

> The pending disruption for DDoS-Guard and Parler comes compliments of Ron Guilmette, a researcher who has made it something of a personal mission to de-platform conspiracy theorist and far-right groups. While this may solve immediate problems (such as the planning of unlawful or otherwise socially harmful events), we should consider the long-term impacts of de-platforming. Does censorship, even if justified, fuel a…

Too soon to say on this current round. But it's generally considered to have been an effective strategy in dealing with Isis and Al Qaeda. But that was a combined campaign to eliminate recruitment by de-platforming, and eliminate existing membership militarily.

It's possible de-platforming these domestic groups will just further radicalize the existing members. But it should inhibit their growth.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by ryanlol »

bjeds wrote: post #60
ryanlol wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting to see the kinds of mental gymnastics these threads attract from folks seeking to defend their favourite nazi site. LACNIC really fucked up by enforcing their rules that require you to actually be doing business in Latin America, how horrible!

This is so tiring. I'm a Swedish man. Last time I visited the US was several years ago. I'm not particularly sympathetic towards Donald Trump or Parler. I'm definitely not here to defend nazism. Not sure if it's intended, but if you intend to get sympathy and support for your cause (whatever that is) by calling me a nazi or implying my interest in internet infrastructure has anything to do with supporting nazism, the…

So what motivated you to ignore all the facts when posting your comment? Your implication that LACNIC is pulling DDoS-Guards IPs just because LACNIC doesn’t like the content they host couldn’t be further from the truth.

Describing Guilmette as a “self-righteous american man” seems oddly hostile for someone with no skin in the game.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by hluska »

StavrosK wrote: post #12

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

The Capitol riots are an interesting example of this dichotomy. On one hand, the riots were planned on hate filled platforms. On the other, those same platforms seem to have been a treasure trove of evidence for prosecutors.

It’s incredibly complicated and I have no idea what side I’m on now either. Hell, I don’t even know whether we can call this a win or a loss for free speech.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

StavrosK wrote: post #12

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by unnouinceput »

Deplatform enough people, regardless of their views, and all you do is fasten the Splinternet. Currently we have China as one big separate internet with gatekeepers for communication with outside world. Then we have the big internet giants that are tightening their walled gardens even more.

I don't like the future, it looks bleak.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by wtallis »

hluska wrote: post #84
StavrosK wrote: post #12

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

The Capitol riots are an interesting example of this dichotomy. On one hand, the riots were planned on hate filled platforms. On the other, those same platforms seem to have been a treasure trove of evidence for prosecutors. It’s incredibly complicated and I have no idea what side I’m on now either. Hell, I don’t even know whether we can call this a win or a loss for free speech.

> On the other, those same platforms seem to have been a treasure trove of evidence for prosecutors.

It should be pretty obvious that this is merely a mitigating factor, and could never outweigh the initial damage done.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #20
StavrosK wrote: post #12

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. On the other hand I hate all fascists too and they are violent terrorists so there is no point in pondering philosophy for their sake.

> If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech.

Setting the threshold for "problem" at intent to cause physical harm to others seems a pretty low barrier?

Any barking is ok, but swift actions should be taken immediately after the very first bite.

Stepping away from calls to murder people for a moment. You can deny climate change all you want but once you put your words into actions that destroy planet your speech can now be treated as actions.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by hluska »

chroem- wrote: post #16
StavrosK wrote: post #12

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

If fascism is defined as the merger of corporation and state, does a dominant political party allying with major corporations to suppress a political opponent not ring alarm bells for fascism?

In high school, I got involved in a Shadowrun campaign that dealt with these ideas. We were young but focused on the idea that corporations and politicians need to be better to avoid this kind of stuff.

Parler didn’t run a particularly good service. Some of their technical decisions are baffling and/or painful. Consequently, it was easy to remove them view.

Donald Trump made it way too easy to de-platform him. Hell, if he would have used his Twitter account to spread facts and science, it would have been much harder. But over the last six weeks, his account went from vaguely funny to deeply concerning.

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