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Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

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Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

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The time-travel paradox arises only if you presuppose the existence of free will: if we don't, and just consider human beings as physical objects acting deterministically, then there can be no paradox: the time traveler will simply do what was already had been done in his past.

Third law of the thermodynamics has to be false for that to be possible. It is still a paradox.

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Sounds like they're describing the Novikov self-consistency principle [1] in a roundabout way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_princ...

Are they, though? I thought the Novikov conjecture postulated that time-travel would change nothing at all: if you travelled back to the past, you had "always" travelled back to the past, and anything you did there was already part of history before you started on your journey (aargh, time-travel tenses are hard). Michael Moorcock's Behold the Man [0] would be a good fictional example. This, on the other hand, sugges…

If there are such physical laws to allow details to change while broad strokes must happen, I'd be curious what exactly differentiates a detail from a broad stroke. But all the same, this idea imagines a more timey-wimey view of history that doesn't have just one state. This is an idea explored heavily in Neal Stephenson's "The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O"

Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

#83

The time-travel paradox arises only if you presuppose the existence of free will: if we don't, and just consider human beings as physical objects acting deterministically, then there can be no paradox: the time traveler will simply do what was already had been done in his past.

Not if he has more information because he has seen the future - then he'll likely act different.

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#84

Time travel violates the law of conservation of energy. By travelling back in time, you yourself are injecting more mass/energy into a system. So it's great as a science fiction trope, but if you're going to talk physics, that needs to be addressed.

I don’t have the details but I’m pretty sure passage of time is due to a tendency for entropy to increase, and that if I go back in time a second by, say, walking backwards, it is no more a violation of the cons of energy as if I walk forward.

How do you know you aren't walking backwards back in time? To be complete you'll also need to be losing your new memories and becoming younger - it's experimentally undistinguishable.

Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

#85

The time-travel paradox arises only if you presuppose the existence of free will: if we don't, and just consider human beings as physical objects acting deterministically, then there can be no paradox: the time traveler will simply do what was already had been done in his past.

Third law of the thermodynamics has to be false for that to be possible. It is still a paradox.

Would you mind expanding on that?

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Think what they're getting at is that it won't happen that way. Gun will jam, you die of a brain aneurysm. We don't exist in a universe where impossible things happen, so we can't bring them about. But yes, the article doesn't really sink its teeth into it.

The thing about this "self-correction" is that nobody, but nobody has a mechanism to explain this force. Not how it works or worse yet, how it will know how to self-correct. What particular force decides that the friction on some surface will briefly rise and cause the gun to jam? How does it know to do that? In all of the paradox-forbidding time travel scenarios, nobody has ever mentioned anything deeper than "Well,…

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Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

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Think what they're getting at is that it won't happen that way. Gun will jam, you die of a brain aneurysm. We don't exist in a universe where impossible things happen, so we can't bring them about. But yes, the article doesn't really sink its teeth into it.

The thing about this "self-correction" is that nobody, but nobody has a mechanism to explain this force. Not how it works or worse yet, how it will know how to self-correct. What particular force decides that the friction on some surface will briefly rise and cause the gun to jam? How does it know to do that? In all of the paradox-forbidding time travel scenarios, nobody has ever mentioned anything deeper than "Well,…

This. As far as we're aware, physics doesn't understand narrative, and doesn't see any difference between killing a person, moving a gun or even disturbing a speck of dust: all entail things being in the wrong place compared with the original timeline.

You might expect some similarities on a macro scale regardless: perhaps if you kill baby Hitler, Germany can still be expected to end up with a different right wing leader who invades Poland, perhaps even assisted by people who were prominent Nazis in our time, and maybe even loses to the same allies for the same reasons. But on a micro level the differences are huge: the dates will be different, people dying will be different, and the rest of the twentieth century will be different. A century of different atoms bumping into different atoms, different sperm are getting to the front of different queues, and different people being influenced into different decisions results in a different world. Our would-be time traveller isn't even born, never mind motivated to look for Ms Schiklgruber's illegitimate child.

Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think what they're getting at is that it won't happen that way. Gun will jam, you die of a brain aneurysm. We don't exist in a universe where impossible things happen, so we can't bring them about. But yes, the article doesn't really sink its teeth into it.

I could see how a universe with such rules could exist. But is it our universe? In the universe you describe, wouldn't we already have seen time travellers from the future? The only explanation I can think of for why we haven't seen any, if we live in such a universe, is that we need to build an "arrivals hall" first, and that as soon we manage to do that, people from all over start popping in for a visit.

I have a short story for this!

My solution to "where are all the time travelers" is that we are unable to correct for motion, we send people in the past but they end up million of kilometers away in space.

So the past is perfectly accessible, but we can't get to any useful spacetime coordinate.

Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible

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Iirc there is no requirement for mass/energy to be conserved, and some models of expansion require conservation to be violated.

Depends if the system is open or closed and if mass is converting to energy or visa versa. Also conditions near big bang are not representative.

More fundamentally, energy is a conserved quantity because the laws of physics are time invariant. See Noethers theorem and gauge symmetries.
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