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Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by diarmuidc »

nailer wrote: post #33
throwawaygh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The employee made comments on internal slack channels warning their coworkers in DC to be careful because there were a large number of nazis at the Capitol. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ery62NKUcAY6DlR?format=jpg&name=...

Further: the employee was seen to be mischaracterising the protestors/rioters (take your pic) as nazis. The claims 'there were literal nazi flags' (see https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8a1wytwIU2Ic52sok2ly14RUQNM=... ) seem to based on the very broad assumption that Confederate, Kekistan, upside down US flags, 'release the kraken' etc flags are Nazis. See https://qz.com/1953366/decoding-the-pro-trump-insurrectionis...…

Here's a literal Nazi rioter. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-camp-auschwitz-shir...

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by benjohnson »

marcinzm wrote: post #66
polartx wrote: post #43

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They didn't call all protestors nazis in the slack message. They just said there were nazis protesting which is factually true.

My best attempt at equivelent from the right would be "stay safe, the Thugs are rioting" during a BLM protest.

If that doesn't seem fair and feels condescending to you, then you can probably imagine how some on the right feel.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by surfer7837 »

bastawhiz wrote: post #73
surfer7837 wrote: post #25

I've just seen the screenshots from https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/15/22232766/github-employees... You just shouldn't be speaking like that in a company Slack channel. Politics should really not be discussed at work, and especially not in a public Slack channel. It's not the right place for it. It makes me not want to work there if they are discussing politics all day in a public Slack channel

Can you explain? On January 6 there was a man wearing a "Camp Auschwitz" hoodie with the word "staff" printed on the back, on national television. Do you believe this man is not a Nazi? And do you believe that Jewish people do not have a right to warn their coworkers to stay safe in light of people like this committing violent acts? I'm genuinely curious to understand what part you believe is political here, because…

I just don't think a company Slack channel is the right place for this, when tensions are high people can get upset and offended and it just creates a bad work environment. There are time and place for things like this, not over a Slack channel.

I don't know about any about that, I haven't been keeping up on the news

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by eat_veggies »

surfer7837 wrote: post #38
marcinzm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't politics really as I see it, it's a heads up to fellow coworkers about a factually dangerous situation in their area. There were factually neo-nazis running about DC causing havoc.

I didn't realise they were all in DC, I thought GitHub was in the valley?

Based on the screenshot [0], the message in question was sent in the #dmv channel, which stands for the DC metropolitan area (DC, Maryland, Virginia, hence DMV).

[0] https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/inUt0KKQbXWT45OMaXBLZuaAqM4=...

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

outside1234 wrote: post #64
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #45

Its a little frightening to see purportedly intelligent people running around talking about, "nazis" invading the capital. The delusional, unhinged rhetoric that has been mainstreamed is another symptom of our fraying society and the widespread mental illness that has resulted. There are numerous accurate (and pejorative) terms that can be used to describe the mob on January 6th, but they were not members of the Nati…

Don't be daft. Its obvious to all listeners that there is no Nazi party - this is clearly used in a modern context to describe neo-nazis. There were clearly neo-nazis in the audience. Here is a picture. https://www.timesofisrael.com/capitol-rioter-in-camp-auschwi...

If they were neo-nazis, why not call them neo-nazis? Why the hyperbole? Here is a picture of people in the mob waving Israeli flags - does that mean that the mob can be accurately characterized as a bunch of zionists? Or is it accurate to say that the mob was being characterized as Nazis because that's the worst thing that anyone can be labeled, so its blithely thrown around no matter how unrelated to actual Nazis the people being described are?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/2021-01/Is...

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by BuildTheRobots »

sydd wrote: post #54
hapless wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn’t a joke. It was quite literal. Stay safe, fellow employees, there are literal goose stepping Nazis in the streets.

How do you know from this little context? People are so jumpy nowadays, which will lead just to misunderstandings and bad decisions/witch hunts.

> How do you know from this little context? People are so jumpy nowadays, which will lead just to misunderstandings and bad decisions/witch hunts.

If we're on the topic of 'free healthcare' then with what we know about how the Nazis treated all their prisoners, with what they documented about systemically murdering disabled people, what possible context could this ever be acceptable in?

Edit: as I've said in another comment, there wasn't "free healthcare" (which is phrased to make it sound like some sort of socialist utopia), there was mandated health insurance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_We...

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by jakelazaroff »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #71
zaksoup wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to say: I don't talk as casually as this in a work channel, though I do sometimes discuss politics and current events. That's not because I don't think it's professional, but rather because I'm jewish and what happened to this employee feels like a very present threat. It is a well-documented fact that neo-nazi hate groups were a significant presence in the riot and preceding "protest" at the capital. Stating…

>It is a well-documented fact that neo-nazi hate groups were a significant presence in the riot and preceding "protest" at the capital. Given the fact that some members of the mob were waving Israeli flags, your assertion is extremely dubious. The fact is that the mob was comprised of lunatics, fringe characters and contingents of all kinds, which has led to those with agendas to cherry pick from this hodgepodge to s…

Many white supremacists and Nazis support the state of Israel. There are a lot of reasons, but the simplest is that they want Jews to migrate there so they can create an ethnostate here.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by bastawhiz »

Simulacra wrote: post #53
surfer7837 wrote: post #25

I've just seen the screenshots from https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/15/22232766/github-employees... You just shouldn't be speaking like that in a company Slack channel. Politics should really not be discussed at work, and especially not in a public Slack channel. It's not the right place for it. It makes me not want to work there if they are discussing politics all day in a public Slack channel

Rules are different now. If you’re making a negative statement regarding anyone on the tight, it seems to get more support than derision.

Please explain how this was a "negative statement" when folks wearing "Camp Auschwitz - Staff" hoodies were rioting in DC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-camp-auschwitz-shir...

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by temac »

nailer wrote: post #33
throwawaygh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The employee made comments on internal slack channels warning their coworkers in DC to be careful because there were a large number of nazis at the Capitol. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ery62NKUcAY6DlR?format=jpg&name=...

Further: the employee was seen to be mischaracterising the protestors/rioters (take your pic) as nazis. The claims 'there were literal nazi flags' (see https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8a1wytwIU2Ic52sok2ly14RUQNM=... ) seem to based on the very broad assumption that Confederate, Kekistan, upside down US flags, 'release the kraken' etc flags are Nazis. See https://qz.com/1953366/decoding-the-pro-trump-insurrectionis...…

I don't know if there were literal nazi flags, but there certainly were literal nazi clothes, e.g. https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_JD_A...
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