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New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by dividedbyzero »

nhoughto wrote: post #54
ksec wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Great to hear a couple iterations ago they restored the keyboard. Magic Keyboard was only introduced in mid 2020. And they are still not as good as MBP 2015 in terms of typing experience. Magic Keyboard Key Travel - 1mm MacBook 2015 Key Travel - 1.3mm Key Spacing as well. They are tiny in Magic Keyboard Layout and it is harder to "sense" the keys apart. >Took them 5 years to go back and restore the old school. Track…

Had 2015, have 2020 (sold a 2019) thought you can’t beat a 2015 but I like the 2020 better actually! 2015 feels spongey in comparison.

Spongey is a good description, that's my take as well.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by dividedbyzero »

yoz-y wrote: post #71
runawaybottle wrote: post #6

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Yeah, plus more ports. Touchbar was interesting, but not a killer feature. Sounds like the upgrade devs were looking for.

I’m very dubious about the ports rumor. What ports would that be? USB-A makes no sense. HDMI would, but would it fit? If they add Mini-hdmi then you’d need a dongle anyways. As it is I think the only good candidate is a SD card reader.

Or a fifth and sixth USB-C...

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by funcDropShadow »

jacobolus wrote: post #67
ksec wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Great to hear a couple iterations ago they restored the keyboard. Magic Keyboard was only introduced in mid 2020. And they are still not as good as MBP 2015 in terms of typing experience. Magic Keyboard Key Travel - 1mm MacBook 2015 Key Travel - 1.3mm Key Spacing as well. They are tiny in Magic Keyboard Layout and it is harder to "sense" the keys apart. >Took them 5 years to go back and restore the old school. Track…

> key travel 2019 1mm vs. 2015 1.3mm The comparative overall height of the keyboard modules is more than 0.3mm different, and the new computers are dramatically thinner and lighter than the previous ones. The overall effect is a substantial improvement. I don't use the touchbar too much, but it is a moderate improvement over F keys for me (I appreciate the return of a physical escape key). Subjectively these two keyb…

For someone who has worked as a travelling consultant for almost ten years, I couldn't care less about thinness. Obviously I don't want to carry any bricks around. But the thickness of 2013 models was totally fine for me. It allows for even more battery packs and room for cooling, as well as an Ethernet port. Shocking. There used to be laptops that actually included Ethernet ports, without any Thunderbolt dongles, that become finicky if you plug and unplug them everyday. /sarcasm off

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by twelve40 »

switz wrote: post #66

If anyone from Apple is reading, let me just say – this is exactly what I want. Magsafe charging. Function keys instead of the touchbar. 15-16" screen. M1 CPU. 32GB Memory. I also prefer the 2015 keyboard, but it's not a dealbreaker. I'll pay for the kickstarter now if it means it'll come out in the next 18 months. Please make it happen.

yes, but also the damn trackpad. I feel like i'm getting carpal tunnel just trying to avoid swiping the damn thing with my palm it's so freaking huge. Been 3+ years still feels like it's designed specifically to get in the way of my work.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by jacobolus »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #83
jacobolus wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> key travel 2019 1mm vs. 2015 1.3mm The comparative overall height of the keyboard modules is more than 0.3mm different, and the new computers are dramatically thinner and lighter than the previous ones. The overall effect is a substantial improvement. I don't use the touchbar too much, but it is a moderate improvement over F keys for me (I appreciate the return of a physical escape key). Subjectively these two keyb…

For someone who has worked as a travelling consultant for almost ten years, I couldn't care less about thinness. Obviously I don't want to carry any bricks around. But the thickness of 2013 models was totally fine for me. It allows for even more battery packs and room for cooling, as well as an Ethernet port. Shocking. There used to be laptops that actually included Ethernet ports, without any Thunderbolt dongles, th…

Personally I think the versions with 4 USB type-C ports are great and can't wait for peripheral devices to catch up; several versatile ports is much better overall than the mishmash of different types of special-purpose ports for peripherals, displays, networking, charging. Anything that needs a particular legacy port can be done just fine via dongle. It is unfortunate that some laptops have only 2 USB type-C ports though.

The batteries are bottlenecked on FAA limits, not laptop thickness. And in future Mac laptops with ARM chips, cooling is no issue.

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Post by philjohn »

bartvk wrote: post #68
adrr wrote: post #59

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It will probably be physical keys with screens in them. As seen in this patent. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/29/apple-researching-keybo... Mag safe is going to be on the charging cable and not the computer. Like on old game consoles with wired controllers.

I have the feeling that it's not going to be on the charging cable. Benson Leung often comments that extensions and modifications to USB-C cables are not compliant with the USB-C standard, which Apple helped write. What I could imagine though, is if the charger itself incorporates MagSafe.

I was under the impression that the "no connectors/extensions" wasn't so much around power delivery, but around the high data rates (40 Gbps) and signal integrity.

A charger cable, that only does PD, could have a magnetic break in it without issues.

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Post by Hamuko »

reeestandard wrote: post #52
Keloran wrote: post #26

I quite like the Touch Bar, with things like pock it means I can have full screen, hide the dock entire and still have notifications And the ability to set custom apps inside it with iterm, and not have to loose a key on the board itself I spend most of my time in vi when in terminal, and never had a “I’m missing an escape” ever

Anyone who spends significant time in vim has already remapped ESC to something else anyway, be it caps-lock or a key combo.

I changed Caps Lock to work as ESC and I'll never go back.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by Siyo »

square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

> It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions.

Well keep in mind that the first generation Arm MacBooks are basically the same old Intel laptops with their guts replaced. The next generation is probably going to be a completely new design.

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