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Re: NSA UFO Documents Index

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Post by remir »

motohagiography wrote: post #35

Went through the CIA one as well, and it's almost designed to be opaque and vague. UFO's create interesting ethical questions and can be useful thought experiments for contemporary issues. A good one is where, say you are checking in on a civilization to see whether it's about to become space faring, and given the amount of energy required for it, the tech is dangerous to any other civilization these recent space arr…

It costs them nothing to wipe us out and spare the universe the trouble, so what must they believe about life, the universe, and everything to not do so. Economics may be universal, etc.

Perhaps the world is highly valued in terms of its bio-diversity and life-supporting resources. There's a possibility that native civilization like us are being monitored and on some level "protected" from conquests if they show they're responsible and take care of their own world.

But if the native civilization continue to destroy their own world, then all bets are off. More responsible and structured civilizations could be granted the right to intervene and potentially take over.

In other words, the more self-sufficient, ecologically responsible and wise we are, the more a civilization like us would be able to avoid this intervention.

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Post by bhk »

swebs wrote: post #71
diegocg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harry Reid funded the "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" with 22$ millions per year from 2007 to 2012 to research UFOs. And most of that money went to Robert Bigelow. Which happens to be friend of Harry Reid, is interested in UFOs and has donated money to Reid's campaigns (what a coincidence!) But the program was secret. Because, you know, aliens. And national security. Until its existence was reveale…

If its that open-and-shut, why hasn't he been arrested?

There's no law against a member of Congress introducing or voting for legislation that benefits friends or donors. If there were, they'd all be in jail.

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Post by shiftpgdn »

NationalPark wrote: post #49
avl999 wrote: post #14

At this point the existence of the UFO phenomenon is undeniable. The fact that congress attached to the covid relief bill that the intelligence services must present a report of everything they know about ufos within a 180 days tells you that something is up and they are trying to force the hand of the intelligence service. I also find it interesting that since retiring Harry Read has openly talked about the existenc…

I think we can pretty summarily dismiss all of this with, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Given that every inch of the developed world is now covered with high resolution cameras, and UFO sightings via these devices have suspiciously not exploded in number, it's pretty clear that these reports were misidentifications, lies, and counterintelligence operations. Would it be cool if aliens were han…

I challenge you to take one of these high resolution cameras and take a photo of the moon. Then take one and take a photo of a jetliner where the make of the jet is comprehensible.

Yes we all carry around cameras but the sensor and lens sizes are all so small they are next to useless at night without a huge helping hand of ML based photo retouching or similar.

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Post by joombaga »

fpgaminer wrote: post #70
motohagiography wrote: post #35

Went through the CIA one as well, and it's almost designed to be opaque and vague. UFO's create interesting ethical questions and can be useful thought experiments for contemporary issues. A good one is where, say you are checking in on a civilization to see whether it's about to become space faring, and given the amount of energy required for it, the tech is dangerous to any other civilization these recent space arr…

I think this is a bit like us diving into the ocean to observe algae. We don't do it because we're concerned about its imminent sentience and potential to "cause trouble". We just do it because we're curious; we want a better understanding of our world and universe. We're likely to be approximately several tens of thousands orders of magnitude below the advancement of any supposed "visitors". Us being a threat is unl…

> We're likely to be approximately several tens of thousands orders of magnitude below the advancement of any supposed "visitors".

What's feeding your intuition here? I wouldnt have thought they'd likely be _that_ advanced. But I'm not sure where tens of thousands of orders of magnitude puts them on e.g. the Kardashev scale, and I'm sure being a huge Star Trek fan has affected my own intuitions :)

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Post by nickelcitymario »

franksvalli wrote: post #40
nickelcitymario wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> congress attached to the covid relief bill They did? Got a link? I tried a Google search but found nothing.

It can be found in the Committee Comments portion of the Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for Fiscal Year 2021 (search for "unidentified aerial phenomena"): https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligenc... Via Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/

Thanks!

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Post by captainredbeard »

seanyesmunt wrote: post #15
mikewarot wrote: post #11

The next to last was the most interesting to me... it's gotta be an old April Fools in the NSA Technical Journal. It flatly states we've received signals from outer space, and posits a decoding of them.... https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/decla...

Why do you think it is an April Fools prank?

It's the Winter 1969 journal, and there Spring/Summer Journals, so I don't necessarily buy the April fools explanation:

https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/tec...

> Key to The Extraterrestrial Messages - Winter 1969 - Vol. XIV, No. 1

Additionally, that same link above also contains this from the Winter 1966 journal, "Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence":

https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/decla...

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Post by stretchcat »

hindsightbias wrote: post #75
stretchcat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those planes have very unusual forms by the standards the public was accustomed to decades ago. In the time since, those planes and ones even more exotic have appeared countless times in popular media, changing the public's perception of what airplanes might look like.

The A-12 was publicly announced in early 1964. It first flew in 1962. The X-3, F-104, B-58 had all flown by the mid-50s. If anything, airplanes have been much more pedestrian as function and form needs were mostly subsonic.

As far as I am aware, the A-12 was secret until the 90s, though the existence of the nearly identical in appearance and function YF-12's was indeed made public in the 1960s. But how many in the 60s would have recognized one if they saw it? Public knowledge and common knowledge are not the same thing.

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Post by mmcconnell1618 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #80
justinclift wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Second, if you do intervene ... Bear in mind that intervention doesn't have to be obvious. In our current networked world, there's a lot which a more-advanced-than-us group or civilisation could do without needing to reveal themselves as such. ;)

how many of us have met a congressmen, senator, media personality in person? How hard would it be for a super advanced society to insert a media network that's all basically ai-generated people? We already have deep fakes, imagine the tech they might have that's deep fakes after 50 generations... They could control us from a small satellite without needing to come anywhere near us,just by controlling what we see, thi…

If you live in the greater Washington DC area it is very easy to bump into political figures in real life. It has happened to me several times on flights too.

I like the idea of some super advanced society trying to manipulate our political process but all they need is the ability to wire transfer some cash to actual humans.

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