It seemed to my unaided eye that the only reasonable point in the lawsuit from Parler was that they were given 30ish hours notice and the contract required 30 days. AWS have addressed that point.
Is it really a suspension and not a termination?
AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not totally sure what to think, but aren't many violent acts planned on Facebook and Twitter? Wasn't the insurrection at the capitol? Yet, the big boys aren't paying the price, it's the competitor that suddenly got popular that wasn't able to be influenced by politicos.
The difference: FB is alerted to those posts, they (eventually) take them down / close the communities. Parler was straight up telling AWS to piss off.
Yea this is valid, I'm just terrified of the tech companies having this kind of power to just censor people and shut down competitors at will. They were kind of justified this time, but given corona, all our communications are flowing through these guys. They're not neutral, nor accountable, and they are very powerful.
They also just demonstrated the ability to collaborate to destroy a company they didn't like without some kind of legal order forcing them to.
Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder
#83It seemed to my unaided eye that the only reasonable point in the lawsuit from Parler was that they were given 30ish hours notice and the contract required 30 days. AWS have addressed that point.
Is it really a suspension and not a termination?
If its a 30 day suspension, and they give notice to terminate at the same time, its both?
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#84Why is this topic flagged, when so (so) many on the same subject that didn't present evidence of Parler's crimes hit the front page?
I don't know why some topics are flagged while others aren't, but Parler didn't commit any crimes.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm referring to monopoly power - which doesn't mean a singular entity. A good thought exercise to gauge this in this situation specifically is if it's only incidental that they were on AWS. If they were on Azure or GCP I think we can assume the same result would have occured.
Good thing there's still more than AWS, GCP, and Azure in the cloud hosting market. There are dozens if not hundreds of companies willing to rent you computing hardware on the internet. There are dozens if not hundreds of colocations willing to rent you space, power, and network connectivity.
For now.
Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder
#86Why is this topic flagged, when so (so) many on the same subject that didn't present evidence of Parler's crimes hit the front page?
HN typically doesn't like it when threads devolve, and users will then flag the thread as such.
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#87It's worth pointing out the offensive content cited in the document: * “Fry’em up. The whole fkn crew. #pelosi #aoc #thesquad #soros #gates #chuckschumer #hrc #obama #adamschiff #blm #antifa we are coming for you and you will know it.” * “#JackDorsey ... you will die a bloody death alongside Mark Suckerturd [Zuckerberg].... It has been decided and plans are being put in place. Remember the photographs inside your hom…
I can find thousands of the same thing on Twitter from right and left people. When does Twitter get cancelled.
Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder
#88It's worth pointing out the offensive content cited in the document: * “Fry’em up. The whole fkn crew. #pelosi #aoc #thesquad #soros #gates #chuckschumer #hrc #obama #adamschiff #blm #antifa we are coming for you and you will know it.” * “#JackDorsey ... you will die a bloody death alongside Mark Suckerturd [Zuckerberg].... It has been decided and plans are being put in place. Remember the photographs inside your hom…
I can find thousands of the same thing on Twitter from right and left people. When does Twitter get cancelled.
No you can't.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Banning content moderation unless you have a judge's order seems like it could be problematic. If this law existed could dang still ban people for people for being a-holes and not following site guidelines or would he need a court order?
I'm referring specifically to the situation where an entire service is going to be shut down, and silence many, many people who presumably were not doing anything illegal. At the risk of a stupid analogy, AWS have near-Death Star like capability at this point, so blowing up Alderaan in the name of killing a few people on it the local government seems unwilling to seems like it should have a few checks and balances.
So just for hosting?
If someone buys a rents a bunch of vms and use it to DDOS Amazon do they need a judges order then?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get your point, and understand your position. For my SaaS I also wouldn't want to deal with something like Parler. That being said, I don't personally believe that your analogy of your (or my own) SaaS platform is that relevant. The difference here is that Amazon could be considered a major infrastructure provider. It has around 30% of the cloud market share, which puts it in a very powerful category if they have t…
> It has around 30% of the cloud market share, which puts it in a very powerful category if they have the power to shutdown platform. It only had that power because Parler gave it to them. Parler didn't have to sign a contract they couldn't fulfill. And Parler will be able to find another way to host.
Parler's own CEO admits they purposely built their infrastructure with the expectation that AWS would pull the cord for TOS violations and they have options. The truthiness of that statement seems in question as it's now Jan 14 and Gab has pretty much already (struggled) to fill the vacuum left behind by Twitter and Parler.
Relevant part of the document:
>Parler’s allegations of harm contradict its own public statements. Parler’s CEO has assured users that Parler “prepared for events like [the termination] by never relying on Amazon's [sic] proprietary infrastructure,” that the site will be fully operational “with less then[sic] 12 hours of downtime” after termination, and that Parler has “many [companies] competing for [its] [hosting] business.”