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Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by brobdingnagians »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

I think it is because all the big tech companies are eliminating popular dissent concerning the government, which makes many question if the government is in cahoots and using private companies to further public goals of censorship, which would be more difficult to do directly as government. It smells fishy at the very least.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by jandrese »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #16
tomglynch wrote: post #3

Along with this, it seems to me media should not be referring to the terrorists entering the Capitol as 'storming' as that is the terminology used by the fringe groups of which they are proud of. I've read articles mentioning what these fringe groups call 'the storm' and I think distancing media reports from that is important.

Should the media, or anyone, be referring to them as "terrorists"? Generally a terrorist uses extreme violence to "terrorize", hence the name. A crowd of morons busting into the Capitol building, calmly wandering the hallways, and taking selfies, scarcely meets the definition, even if some of the politicians felt terror. If only the 9/11 terrorists, and all terrorists, were this tame.

"calmly wandering the hallways"

...and also beating people to death with a fire extinguisher.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by cptnapalm »

InitialLastName wrote: post #43
tuesdayrain wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By this definition, many antifa and BLM rioters are also terrorists. It's interesting how hesitant the media was to describe them that way.

I might have missed it, but I didn't see any reports of pipe bombs at the BLM protests.

There were loads of reports of thrown explosives in Seattle. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/25/us/seattle-protest-riot/index...

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by brobdingnagians »

crooked-v wrote: post #73
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

They want the government to replaced by the free market for other people . For them, it's government benefits all the way. The political scientist and author Frank Wilhoit talked about it in his works: > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Errrhm, all the "protected classes" tend to come from the left wing ideologies. Sure, the right isn't what it used to be with Jeffersonian liberalism and free speech, but that quote could easily be interpreted to be about modern left by simply replacing "Conservatism" with "Liberalism'.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by trident5000 »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

You need an actual free market which does not exist. Other than that I dont care facebook is moderating its own platform.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by Cederfjard »

c1ccccc1 wrote: post #70

This almost makes me suspect that the Facebook executives behind this decision are secretly die hard pro-Trumpers. Sure, it's definitely a bit spooky that people are going around saying the election was stolen when, as far as I can tell, there's no hard evidence of widespread cheating. (I'm open to changing my mind given sufficient evidence, I'm just saying that I haven't seen it yet.) But this is the equivalent of F…

It might still have the desired effect if it stops this content from spreading. Sure, the people who post it get more pissed off, but a larger number who would’ve been exposed to it otherwise now won’t.

I don’t have any data to support any conclusion, just brainstorming.

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Post by karakot »

kortilla wrote: post #47
rconti wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it need the "extreme" adjective? From the Googles: > the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Is there any question that's what happened here? It's too bad that we have to worry about "turning off" some sensitive people whose feelings will be hurt if we call a spade a spade, but it sure doesn't feel like appeasing them has done much good,…

But BLM had political motivations as well. Should we have labeled any of the people participating in violence as terrorists as well?

you can label these people as terrorists or looters, they don't represent the whole BLM movement. Same with republicans we don't label republican party as a terrorist party even if some members of the party are terrorists.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by meowkit »

imgabe wrote: post #62
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

People are allowed to have any opinions they want, even ones that seem contradictory to you. It's not a free market when a handful of companies can collude to shut out a competitor as they've done to Parler.

Parler is not a competitor to Amazon. They were a customer.

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Post by [deleted] »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

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Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by tomp »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

Cartels are not “free market”, they represent a failure of the free market which legislation (i.e. government empowerment by guns) is supposed to solve.
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