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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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"Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was 'Hang Mike Pence.' But AWS has no plans nor has it made any threats to suspend Twitter’s account." Is this true?

It's worth noting that the "Hang Mike Pence" tweets were a reference to what the rioters were chanting when they stormed the Capitol.

I can affirm that at least part of the "hang mike pence" discussion on twitter it was a shocked discussion of the threats, not threats.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#82
and here we see the effects of this!!! as millions of people are still free to insult others and share their opinions of twitter's actions unhindered lol...

everyone can also cherry pick out instances where moderation has failed or things have fallen through the cracks. parler's entire MO has been to breed this kind of environment for growth.

removing one of the DIRECT causes to an attack on our foundational institutions is completely warranted IMO. save the slippery slope argument for something else, please.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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If your claim is that "[AWS's decision] is also apparently designed to reduce competition in the microblogging services market to the benefit of Twitter." and therefore an antitrust violation, you probably shouldn't also mention that "Parler’s rival social media apps, such as conservative-oriented Gab or conservative media Rumble, are also experiencing record growth right now"...

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#84

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

> The US government should also move to immediately outlaw targeted algorithmic advertising, which would make a huge impact on Big Tech's sectarian violence cashcow.

That is an interesting proposition, but I wonder what would fill the void created. I believe advertising does not increase consumption per-se, but that it redistributes it among a different set of product and services, so who would be the winners and losers of such an effort?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#85
Here's the proper context and venue to resolve the Parler/AWS dispute: a contract dispute in court.

Parler is blowing it in the third paragraph:

> Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was “Hang Mike Pence.” But AWS has no plans nor has it made any threats to suspend Twitter’s account.

The distinction, of course, is that the it was trending because the tweets were discussing the videos of violent Trump supporters chanting "Hang Mike Pence", and not calling for violence, as was widely occurring on Parler. That weak sauce isn't going to go far in court.

P4 is speculation on Amazon's motives. Parler would need some good evidence to show this claim is true.

P5 seems the strongest. If their contract really says 30-days notice (given the disingenuous p3, I wouldn't assume that), Amazon could be forced to replatform them for a while and have some damages.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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I did some testing this morning when a friend shared a link to Parler content and the server did not resolve.

I don't know whether it is DNS censorship as well or just poorly configured TTL caching on some DNS servers, but if you have a link to video.parler.com and it doesn't resolve anymore, you can replace video.parler.com with the actual IP address of the server 8.240.251.252 8.240.147.124 8.240.248.252 they are still online though the DNS is beginning to fail globally.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove.

Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them.

EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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If you’re a business, do you really want to be on a provider that can pull your card with little to no notice? That’s a lot of power. The boot is coming down hard right now. The cloud is looking like a risky bet.

As a business we only do business with vendors that don’t host controversial sites due to risk from boycotts and negative press. I picked AWS because it was a safe choice because of actions like kicking off Parler.

not to pick on you...

but customers like you are probably why AWS is taking the position they are. They don't want to risk other customers just to keep parler. That actually sounds like something a profit motivated company would do.... no conspiracies required.

edit: should probably note, customers/advertisers have boycotted companies before for having a whiff of scandal around them..

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#90

This coordinated banning of a service by Silicon Valley is indicative of collusion between these giant monopolies. If the Justice Department does not go after these companies for antitrust, we don't have a Justice Department.

None of the companies involved here are monopolies, or even close to being monopolies. And this sort of 'collusion' isn't illegal - the illegal collusion is a completely different thing. Actually there isn't even any collusion of either kind to begin with.

> None of the companies involved here are monopolies, or even close to being monopolies

Then why is Amazon facing action or under investigation for antitrust from Congress, the European Union, the DOJ and 3 states?

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