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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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This vicious lethal (effectively kills Parler) action by Amazon - driven by a mob of woke employees - will cause long term damage to AWS. I had plans to use AWS for a potentially huge SAAS business, even though it is not likely to be contentious, just the thought of them being able to destroy everything overnight, without due process, without recourse - sends chills down my spine. I cannot now imagine, being able to…

This sounds like a reasoned moral choice for you and I applaud it. Some entrepreneurs will feel the same. And some would also be looking for providers other than AWS if they didn't hold Parler to the letter of their TOS in this case.

It is also true that AWS and all network providers exist within a societal context where the speech and actions of the participants can result in consequences. Where the line is drawn and why is a never ending tension. Very, very rarely is the extreme moral position universally true IMHO -- there is possibly content you would like kicked of AWS, and there will be poeple who can defend anything in the name of free speech. Good luck with the SAAS, and may your customers not be scoundrels!

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

The NYT lied to the American public to whip them up into supporting the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Why won't AWS, Google, and Apple collectively ban them? Their open calls for violence were far more consequential and severe and serious than anything on Parler

I see the parallel you're trying to draw here but it doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm pretty sure the US was going to war in Iraq no matter what NYT said, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

The faulty NYT reporting gave the government a certain level of cover to allow them to do what they already planned to do. Parler was a forum for participants to discuss and actively plan sedition. And there's already violence threatened in the days around inauguration so it stands to reason it could have served the same role again.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT lied to the American public to whip them up into supporting the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Why won't AWS, Google, and Apple collectively ban them? Their open calls for violence were far more consequential and severe and serious than anything on Parler

> which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Actually, looking up the numbers right now, the total civilian death rate is perhaps 1 million at most, more likely somewhere in the 100,000s. Iraq Body Count gives ~200k civilian deaths; estimation from the number of internally-displaced peoples (basically figuring that displaced-to-dead ration is between 5:1 and 10:1) suggests a number more li…

My bad, it's still far more than anyone on Parler is responsible for.

Perhaps if you consider the fallout of the Iraq War (rise of ISIS, Syrian Civil War, etc.) you get more but the point is the same

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Serious question (not in the US), if "all" the content on Parler was inciting terrorism or what have you, why was it not simply subpoena'd by the relevant authority for user data? Isn't a site like this basically a honeypot for undesireables, and therefore a handy place for LE to round up all the people likely to commit violence? Or are there too many for LE, or is LE itself compromised and has members on the site?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that Parler refuses to sufficiently moderate Where can one find a definition of "sufficient" in this context?

The Amazon email to Parler says: > Over the past several weeks, we’ve reported 98 examples to Parler of posts that clearly encourage and incite violence. [...] It also seems that Parler is still trying to determine its position on content moderation. You remove some violent content when contacted by us or others, but not always with urgency. [...] This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken…

>You remove some violent content when contacted by us or others, but not always with urgency. [...] This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you.

Assuming this is true, it's why I shed no tears for Parler and their circumstances.

However, things like "sufficient" and "urgency" need to be established in law, after which the rules are clear and all of these platforms can be held to account for the content they host and spread.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Putting myself in AWS’s shoes makes this choice seem obvious. If I imagine myself maintaining a server and I learn it’s being used for death threats and coup plannings, I would tell them to stop doing that or I’m shutting them down. And then if they didn’t do it I would immediately revoke their access. I don’t know about everyone else on this site but I wasn’t put on this planet to design and build tools for terrorists and extremists. I’ve been on Parler and it’s disgusting. The public doesn’t want it to be on AWS and AWS doesn’t want it on AWS. There’s no reason they should be forced to host it.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

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France and Germany are making this point quite loudly now.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

#90

This vicious lethal (effectively kills Parler) action by Amazon - driven by a mob of woke employees - will cause long term damage to AWS. I had plans to use AWS for a potentially huge SAAS business, even though it is not likely to be contentious, just the thought of them being able to destroy everything overnight, without due process, without recourse - sends chills down my spine. I cannot now imagine, being able to…

This is hyperbolic in the extreme, and to blame "woke employees" with everything going on right now is just plain silly.

When deciding whether to choose to host your services with AWS you can answer a simple question: are you planning on violating their terms of service? If the answer is yes, do not use AWS.

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