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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by chrissnell »

sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

There was a time when the tech community fought ferociously against corporations and government attempts to censor and silence ideas. In its early years, Slashdot was ardently libertarian, as were most of the engineers I worked with. Can you imagine 1997 Slashdot’s reaction to something like Apple removing Parler from the App Store? There would be protests, DDoSes, editorials from thought leaders, and more.

I feel very out of place with many of the younger folks working in tech today. The majority of them seem to support (or even demand) de-platforming of people and ideas that they disagree with.

This is not a good trend. As you said, the mob will eventually come for you, too.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by camhart »

All of these silicon valley companies need to realize they live in a bubble. You can't continue doing this and expect it to be recieved well.

Yes the extreme right is ridiculous. But the extreme left is too.

Spend some time outside silicon valley and other liberal hubs. Understand the perspective of others.

I am not in favor of violence. I am not in favor of Trump's behavior. However Trumps stance on policy typically aligns more closely with what I believe than Biden. Behavior like this alienates me.

Again, I do not love Trump. Far from it. But these moves come across not as anti-extreme-right, but anti-conservative.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by eganist »

abernard1 wrote: post #66
alphabettsy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks accounts? All internet presence? Neither of those things is happening. They still have websites, not to mention a press secretary with the world’s press at their feet. Minimizing it to just wrong opinions? NAMBLA, look it up, is still around so stating this is about wrong opinions is ignorant. I’m fairly certain that attempting to overthrow the government to get your desired election result is fascism. Saying w…

> I’m fairly certain that attempting to overthrow the government to get your desired election result is fascism. I can't believe I'm actually going to go to this topic, but your argument has been made before with the Reichstag Fire [1]. Using threats of violence as a pretext for assuming more government control is a tactic as old as governments. > The Nazi Party used the fire as a pretext to claim that communists wer…

> I can't believe I'm actually going to go to this topic, but your argument has been made before with the Reichstag Fire [1]. Using threats of violence as a pretext for assuming more government control is a tactic as old as governments.

There's a bit of false equivalence here. The fire was, on one hand, a false flag (from the very link you posted), and on the other hand, a stroke of luck.

Whereas here, it was an attempt at taking human hostages (reference: the many more recent videos of insurrectionists with human zip ties and small arms) and disrupting election certification with human shields in the form of a mob of conservative protesters. Which by every definition would be an attempted coup.

And don't get me wrong, I'm saying quite explicitly that there were legitimate, Trump-believing protesters in the crowd who either got swept up into the moment or genuinely fear for the state of the country but who were not in it to overthrow a legitimately elected government. However, within the crowd were people who came equipped to overthrow leadership followed by blending right back into the crowd, and they coordinated on platforms such as Parler with impunity, which is precisely why deplatforming the platforms is the appropriate next step.

It's not because of everyday conservatives who feel duped. It's because of the conservatives who came together to enact violence and disrupt the democratic process.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by danhak »

eganist wrote: post #62
dantheman wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wikileaks was mainly attacked through denial of access to the financial system. Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP?

> Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP? Has the GOP, specifically the GOP, advocated for the violent overthrow of the United States Government?

“Let’s have trial by combat!”

-Rudy Giuliani, 1/6/2021

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by alphabettsy »

Conservatives argued it was totalitarian overreach to force a cake baker to make a gay cake, maybe rightly so even if totalitarian was hyperbolic. Now we’re going to force companies to allow people to coordinate or encourage the overthrow of the entire government and that’s not totalitarian?
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