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Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by masonic »

joshuamorton wrote: post #78
masonic wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point me to any data showing that random quality cloth masks even reduce coronavirus transmission ? The recent Kaiser San Jose case[0] where one worker infected 44+ fellow staff, all of whom were wearing masks, ... from inside a tree costume would seem to be a great counterexample. [0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/07/kaiser-san-jose-fined... Essentially everyone I see in the wild has been wearing masks…

> If we had stressed the importance of not touching one's face combined with aggressive sanitization of hands, faces, and surfaces, Covid-19 This...was stressed, significantly. Do you not remember that?

Look at any 20 articles about Covid transmission from February to April. You'd be lucky to find one that stressed not touching surfaces over mask wearing.

In 37 California articles I saved from that period, exactly zero even mentioned not touching surfaces in equal or higher importance to wearing masks... and only 8 even mentioned surfaces as a transmission vector (generally, only doorhandles).

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by WalterGR »

mc32 wrote: post #54
kpfleger wrote: post #2

185 experts. Over 100 medical doctors. Roughly 100 professors, including many of the most respected vitamin D experts in the world---check out the list of names and qualifications yourself. Please read the link before posting about correlation or other opinions on the topic. The point is to note the aggregate credibility of the backers here. This is analogous to the open letter done for face masks last spring.

Wait... A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid. Wasn't Twitter suppressing this too? How do they punish themselves for misinformation? Now it comes out. I wonder how many other things will come to light.

> A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid.

Who? Doctors or people on the internet?

> Wasn't Twitter suppressing this too?

I don't know. Were they? By "too" do you mean the unidentified people above?

> How do they punish themselves for misinformation?

How do they punish themselves for insinuations of possibly suppressing something?

> Now it comes out. I wonder how many other things will come to light.

Such as what?

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #54
kpfleger wrote: post #2

185 experts. Over 100 medical doctors. Roughly 100 professors, including many of the most respected vitamin D experts in the world---check out the list of names and qualifications yourself. Please read the link before posting about correlation or other opinions on the topic. The point is to note the aggregate credibility of the backers here. This is analogous to the open letter done for face masks last spring.

Wait... A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid. Wasn't Twitter suppressing this too? How do they punish themselves for misinformation? Now it comes out. I wonder how many other things will come to light.

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Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by elisaado »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #75
bagacrap wrote: post #62

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order supplements on Amazon? The uv index is very low this time of year anyway, so sun exposure doesn't do much.

Yeah I wouln't trust Amazon for supplements. Your local pharmacy or grocery store can probably deliver it or have it available for contact-less pickup.

>Yeah I wouln't trust Amazon for supplements.

why?

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by joshuamorton »

masonic wrote: post #81
joshuamorton wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we had stressed the importance of not touching one's face combined with aggressive sanitization of hands, faces, and surfaces, Covid-19 This...was stressed, significantly. Do you not remember that?

Look at any 20 articles about Covid transmission from February to April. You'd be lucky to find one that stressed not touching surfaces over mask wearing. In 37 California articles I saved from that period, exactly zero even mentioned not touching surfaces in equal or higher importance to wearing masks... and only 8 even mentioned surfaces as a transmission vector (generally, only doorhandles).

> In 37 California articles I saved from that period, exactly zero even mentioned not touching surfaces in equal or higher importance to wearing masks...

That's because surfaces aren't a major transmission vector. There was significant early concern about surface transmission, with recommendations to leave packages to quarantine for a period or wipe things with alcohol to sanitize them. There was a period where I'd wipe my phone and credit cards with alcohol everytime I reentered my house.

Pretty quickly though, the data showed that didn't matter, and so people (reasonably) stopped caring as much, instead prioritizing airborne particle transmission, which remains the main transmission vector.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by Doxin »

elisaado wrote: post #84
throwaway201103 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I wouln't trust Amazon for supplements. Your local pharmacy or grocery store can probably deliver it or have it available for contact-less pickup.

>Yeah I wouln't trust Amazon for supplements. why?

Probably because Amazon is at this point well known for shipping counterfit products. That's dangerous when it concerns phone chargers. It's downright negligent for supplements if you ask me.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by funcDropShadow »

WalterGR wrote: post #82
mc32 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait... A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid. Wasn't Twitter suppressing this too? How do they punish themselves for misinformation? Now it comes out. I wonder how many other things will come to light.

> A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid. Who? Doctors or people on the internet? > Wasn't Twitter suppressing this too? I don't know. Were they? By "too" do you mean the unidentified people above? > How do they punish themselves for misinformation? How do they punish themselves for insinuations of possibly suppressing something? > Now it comes…

> > A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid.

> Who? Doctors or people on the internet?

Last automn, I asked a medical doctor about Vitamin D and CoVid19 and he told me that he gets a lot of emails about news in medicine, and that he deletes everything that mentions Vitamin D, because some claims about Vitamin D were refuted in the '90s. I was suprised to say the least.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by funcDropShadow »

masonic wrote: post #76
jiofih wrote: post #28

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> cases are skyrocketing And comments like yours are one of the reasons. The study shows that masks do little to protect the wearer - which is kind of obvious as it’s not going to filter incoming air very efficiently, that has never been the purpose of surgical masks. They don’t protect against airborne pathogens and every medical professional knows it. You need a crítica mass for masks to start reducing transmission…

Can you point me to any data showing that random quality cloth masks even reduce coronavirus transmission ? The recent Kaiser San Jose case[0] where one worker infected 44+ fellow staff, all of whom were wearing masks, ... from inside a tree costume would seem to be a great counterexample. [0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/07/kaiser-san-jose-fined... Essentially everyone I see in the wild has been wearing masks…

> It also ignores the fact that the eyes are a bigger attack surface than the nose or a closed mouth.

Again, the primary purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect you but everybody else. By making it harder for you to spread your viruses. So, it only protects you if everybody else around you wears them.

Nevertheless, masks have a small effect on protecting with regards to viruses entering your mouth and nose, but none on your eyes, obviously.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by herbst »

Doxin wrote: post #86
elisaado wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yeah I wouln't trust Amazon for supplements. why?

Probably because Amazon is at this point well known for shipping counterfit products. That's dangerous when it concerns phone chargers. It's downright negligent for supplements if you ask me.

Suppliment maker/seller here. I agree, its a surprisingly shady business. However many store/drogery brands too have their flaws. Big brand suppliments often contain cheaper chemical alternatives, while smaller brands sometimes really care about the actual source product.

Its hard honestly. Thats why i am making my own.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by teorema »

kpfleger wrote: post #57
mc32 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait... A few months ago people laughed at the suggestion. It was "dangerous" to "deceive" people about Vit D and Covid. Wasn't Twitter suppressing this too? How do they punish themselves for misinformation? Now it comes out. I wonder how many other things will come to light.

This has been a big problem. Some people labeled science on vitamin D & covid19 as misinformation, lumping vitamin D in with things that have little to no evidence even when the vitamin D evidence was mounting rapidly. Part of the point of this open letter is to show that many serious people agree that vitamin D should be used in the pandemic. The inappropriate suppression of this message is now the mis-information.…

The problem IMHO is the attempt to regulate speech on the topic (or any topic really). It just illustrates the problems with it.

I'm a little concerned about the appeal to authority element to this all...

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