Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by lostlogin » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

specialist wrote: post #79

darkarmani wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think when someone strikes out 100 times, you are finally allowed to call them out. Cherry picking one sentence of a post that is "calming" is what is disingenuous.

The genius of Trump's tactic of saying everything (continuously contradicting himself) is allowing everyone to cherry pick useful bits to support (or oppose) any given narrative.

> The genius of Trump's tactic of saying everything (continuously contradicting himself)

I’ve always found this to make his statements incoherent.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #80

mattnewton wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think these platforms just don’t want any possibility that they are responsible for inciting a riot in the future. Purely an ass-covering move, just as it was to continue to platform him when he had power over the DoJ. If you want any other behavior you’d have to clarify the immunities and/or expectations around platforming government officials explicitly in law, and I am afraid what this congress would come up wit…

It's not just ass-covering. Many of the people who work on those platforms don't want to be complicit in a coup.

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Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by upbeat_general » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #81

specialist wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The genius of Trump's tactic of saying everything (continuously contradicting himself) is allowing everyone to cherry pick useful bits to support (or oppose) any given narrative.

> The genius of Trump's tactic of saying everything (continuously contradicting himself) I’ve always found this to make his statements incoherent.

Absolutely.

Evidently his supporters didn’t believe that coherent statements and any semblance of consistency were important though.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by upbeat_general » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

barbacoa wrote: post #29

fredophile wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If somebody said "your democracatically elected government has been taken away but you should just go home," would you? Would the Trump supporters that raided the capital yesterday? The reason they will forever believe that the election was stolen is because Trump continues to say that the election was stolen.

People spent years de-legitimatizing the 2016 election by claiming that Trump colluded with the Russian government. There were even stories published by mainstream media outlets that Russians hack election machines. The other side undermining the election results after they lost is not exactly new.

I don’t know of any mainstream stories about actual votes being changed/hacked but there’s tons of evidence that Russia hacked state voter databases and manipulated online media for their benefit. We also have significant evidence that the trump campaign tried to collide with Russia (he even published those self incriminating emails on Twitter).

Few people cast doubt on the votes themselves however in 2016 and that Trump was the legitimate winner.

In this case there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud after being litigated through the courts and acknowledgement as such by many republican Secretaries of State, senators, etc.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by dmitriid » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 10:26 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #65

dmitriid wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary Clinton conceded she lost the very next day. There was an orderly transition process from Obama to Trump that started on the second day after the election. Compare that "undermining" to what the GOP and Trump are doing.

Hardy ordinary though, for the FBI to orchestrate false charges and spy on the incoming administration with fraudulent FISA warrants. They are both very wrong, in different ways.

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On December 9, 2019, Horowitz released his report on the findings of the DOJ OIG investigation. The OIG found no indication that the investigation of Trump and Russia was motivated by political bias, but did make 17 "basic and fundamental" errors and omissions in its warrant applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to surveil Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser on the Trump campaign.[160][5][161][162][163] The report found that the FBI's investigation had a factual basis and was initiated for an authorized purpose,[162] stating: "We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced" the agency's decision to open the investigation

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What else?

Ah, I also remember Obama calling for months that the election was stolen, inciting violence, calling for forceful removal of government officials and obstructing transition teams. I also remember Obama refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power until after his supporters stormed the Capitol and his own party (just as complicit) turned against him and certified election results.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by chemmail » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 10:45 PM UTC

I read that as Twitter, but lets ago ahead and do that too.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by flukus » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 10:55 PM UTC

pupppet wrote: post #41

Just love how these companies suddenly find a backbone days before he's out of office, just a coincidence I'm sure.

You don't think it has anything to do with his attempted insurrection?

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by incrudible » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 11:00 PM UTC

newacct583 wrote: post #40

barbacoa wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People spent years de-legitimatizing the 2016 election by claiming that Trump colluded with the Russian government. There were even stories published by mainstream media outlets that Russians hack election machines. The other side undermining the election results after they lost is not exactly new.

Sacking the Capitol Building to prevent certification of an election is certainly new, though. I remain horrified at the level to which republicans genuinely think these situations are equivalent.

It wasn't a sacking. There was trespassing and a couple of smashed windows. These are the worst images that CNN could find:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/gallery/electora...

There are two ways forward: We make a really big deal out of this and therefore implicitly demand that protests should be suppressed with massive force. Alternatively, we can admit that this is about as peaceful an outcome as we could have possibly hoped for, all things considered.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by dimal » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 11:36 PM UTC

incrudible wrote: post #22

belltaco wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He says the facts bear out his assertion that the election was stolen... how is that calming?

The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". Trumpers will forever believe that the election was stolen, but they can believe that from the comfort of their homes, they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it. If any tech company were to try to suppress the "facts" that support the "rigged election" narrative, that would only reinforce the their beliefs.

It's one thing to say there will be an orderly transition of power, but the events of yesterday already made that statement false, and those events were incited by him. So saying something calming out of one side of his mouth doesn't excuse what he's saying out the other side.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by newacct583 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 11:47 PM UTC

incrudible wrote: post #88

newacct583 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sacking the Capitol Building to prevent certification of an election is certainly new, though. I remain horrified at the level to which republicans genuinely think these situations are equivalent.

It wasn't a sacking. There was trespassing and a couple of smashed windows. These are the worst images that CNN could find: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/gallery/electora... There are two ways forward: We make a really big deal out of this and therefore implicitly demand that protests should be suppressed with massive force. Alternatively, we can admit that this is about as peaceful an outcome as we cou…

How exactly do you define sacking?

They pushed past armed guards, broke barriers, entered the chambers of an active joint session of congress forcing the entirety of the USA legislative branch and its Vice President at the very moment they were certifying a presidential election into a secure bunker.

... and you think that's "about as peaceful an outcome as we could possibly have hoped for"?

I genuinely don't understand. This is the kind of operation of government that is supposed to never be disruptible. If past mobs knew it was this easy then we could have had a zillion coups by now.

You're saying they weren't murderers I guess? That they didn't blow up the building or take hostages (though there is footage of a guy with zip ties that looks like he wanted to)? I mean, yeah, that would be worse. This is still unimaginably bad.