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London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Even bigger news is that as of yesterday there were just 46 free ICU beds (out of 1300+) in the whole London

So like usual around this time then Dunno why you're downing me but... The data is all here https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas...

That data shows 151 free out of 1033 adult critical care beds in London in January 2019 (14.6% free)

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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We are probably living in two different worlds. There is reality and there is the world you live in. In real world it is not the restrictions that save lives, it is people following them. If people ignore restrictions it doesn't matter whether they were or were not tightened. Actually, if people were sane we would not need restrictions. Everybody would wash their hands, avoid touching their face, wear their mask prop…

I am afraid I don't understand your point, are you saying London did in fact loosen it's lockdown over Christmas?

I am afraid I don't understand your point

I don't think you're trying very hard, the comment was pretty clear. But in case you are truly confused, no, that is not what parent was saying.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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The lockdown was tightened for Christmas. [1] 1: https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/londons-covid-19-christmas-loc... EDIT: It's weird that people don't believe me. Here is a BBC article talking about the Tier 4 lockdown that occurred right before Christmas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55380644 From the article: "Millions of people across England have been banned from meeting friends and family indoors ov…

Nope. It was wide open for Christmas Day. Source: Being in UK.

You must live in a different London than the rest of us then.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #3

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The lockdown was tightened for Christmas. [1] 1: https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/londons-covid-19-christmas-loc... EDIT: It's weird that people don't believe me. Here is a BBC article talking about the Tier 4 lockdown that occurred right before Christmas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55380644 From the article: "Millions of people across England have been banned from meeting friends and family indoors ov…

We are probably living in two different worlds. There is reality and there is the world you live in. In real world it is not the restrictions that save lives, it is people following them. If people ignore restrictions it doesn't matter whether they were or were not tightened. Actually, if people were sane we would not need restrictions. Everybody would wash their hands, avoid touching their face, wear their mask prop…

Following your nonsensical logic there would be no difference in covid cases between states or nations. Obviously this is not true.

It is absolutely the government’s job to enact policy to slow the spread of deadly disease. It is also the job of governing leaders to encourage and educate citizens on how and why they should comply with these policies. This is where the USA is failing miserably.

We could discuss the tradeoffs and the details, that’s fair, but it’s totally irresponsible of you to say that this massive spike in cases was ‘inevitable’.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #70

In Florida, bars and restaurants are just about fully open and everything is just fine.

Near as I can tell things are pretty wide open here in Iowa. We even had the honor of getting an Atlantic scare article of "This is what happens when government does nothing" Turns out what happens when government does nothing is things are perfectly fine.

4000 deaths in Iowa.

127 per 100,000 people in Iowa http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states&...

Compared to

70 per 100,000 people in California. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-...

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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And yet we still have idiots here in the UK saying things ranging from: * coronavirus is invented as a government power grab * the government locking down is a deliberate ploy to kill small businesses * the government should just let this run its course, it’s Just A Flu TM * hospitals are actually empty (the “proof” being people recording empty waiting rooms in outpatient departments on bank holiday weekends) * coron…

> the government should just let this run its course Isn't it just an opinion? I personally think that way. Why wouldn't I be allowed to think that?

You’re totally allowed to have that opinion and other people are totally allowed to think it’s idiotic, unless I’m missing you’re point?

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #25

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The article says it will be opened and used again.

When?

It's been quietly resupplied with everything except staff, from what I can tell from a civil servant friend.

Which makes it of limited use.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #33

And yet we still have idiots here in the UK saying things ranging from: * coronavirus is invented as a government power grab * the government locking down is a deliberate ploy to kill small businesses * the government should just let this run its course, it’s Just A Flu TM * hospitals are actually empty (the “proof” being people recording empty waiting rooms in outpatient departments on bank holiday weekends) * coron…

No doubt the NHS in London is close to capacity, perhaps even more so than it usually is this time of year. It's hard to know for sure.

It doesn't help, however, when activist NHS nurses lie on (and abetted by) national media; imagining bed occupancy and oxygen supply levels out of thin air, implying the mutant strain is more virulent among children etc. causing panic, confusion, and supplying fuel to the very people you're trying to lampoon.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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~1700 people per day die of heart disease in America and have done so for decades. I think we should shut down the economy until we can get everyone's heart healthy.

Heart disease isn't contagious

HIV is but we don't force carriers to self isolate

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #80

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> the government should just let this run its course Isn't it just an opinion? I personally think that way. Why wouldn't I be allowed to think that?

You’re totally allowed to have that opinion and other people are totally allowed to think it’s idiotic, unless I’m missing you’re point?

The other points you made are near or actually conspiracy theory level. His is just an opinion on how it should be handled.
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