Did they really do this just as the election was being certified? No one outside of tech will be talking about this for a while...
WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
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#82I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
I contact the majority of my friends with telegram, the UX is similar enough and people get on board quite quickly- the difficult part is convincing someone to install /another/ messaging app- if they have network effects too then it's a hard sell. But once most people have both it gets easier. Signal (UX wise) is not really super great for my family, I burned a lot of my "technical expert advisor" capital and reputa…
I had success at least moving my parents and sister to chat with me on Telegram. I was having weird issues with Telegram video call (very low sound on my parent's phones), so I still had to call them on Whatsapp. Also, didn't find any audio call option on Telegram, only video call.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#83Uninstalled. Signal is better.
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#84Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p ... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog ... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]
How is it compared to telegram?
not as good in terms of UI/ux but compared to pgp emails much simplier
ps telegram is no more secure than Whatsapp unless u use secret chats
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#85Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p ... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog ... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]
Last time I tried to use it it on my android didn't work without google play services. And they really bury the apk download, which means it's useless(or heavily discouraged) for people without a google account.
(Edit: this is rather a negative comment but its out of frustration -- I want to use it!)
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#86Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p ... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog ... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]
How is it compared to telegram?
Better security, worse UX.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#87How about pay $1 / year to opt out of all data sharing? I foolishly installed the Facebook app on Android for a while. When I asked for a data dump from Facebook I was amazed at the amount of data it had stolen from my phone, including full contacts list. It sounds like that is exactly what Facebook are planning with WhatsApp. I'd pay $1 / year to opt out of that and be the customer rather than the product.
$1 a year is super low. YouTube values their ads at approximately $12 a month[0] - FB can’t be much less.
(E: 12, not 18. 18 is for families)
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#88Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p ... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog ... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]
That's just moving from one silo to another though. Users of centralized services don't have much recourse when the company pulls the rug out from under them.
If the backend is open source then there is recourse.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#89Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p ... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog ... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]
That's just moving from one silo to another though. Users of centralized services don't have much recourse when the company pulls the rug out from under them.
True but you have to consider the app needs to be user friendly to see any real adoption...
Don't get me wrong, I love Riot (or whatever it's called these days) but it's just not user-friendly for your average Joe...
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#90Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p ... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog ... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]
That's just moving from one silo to another though. Users of centralized services don't have much recourse when the company pulls the rug out from under them.
Users want centralized services. Syncing across devices and shared history are mandatory features, and are basically impossible to do well in distributed models.