Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10 • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by mlindner » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

ronanyeah wrote: post #13

infocollector wrote: post #2

How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

Huawei has already made some 'careless mistakes': https://www.zdnet.com/article/huawei-denies-involvement-in-b...

And they follow the "deny, deny, lie" aspect of their government as well. Wish they would have some honesty. You can't call a project named after your company not involved with your company.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by tristor » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:28 PM UTC

This doesn't surprise me. I've been working in the open source software space for a good while and many many many of my former colleagues now work at Huawei. All of them report to me that it's a great place to work where they're well compensated and put on teams of smart people with ample resources to get things done, including doing things in the open.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by berdario » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:35 PM UTC

b0rsuk wrote: post #39

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they insist Chinese law is used outside China They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements, but that's relatively minor compared to, say, the United States forcing its sanctions policy on the rest of the world. Everyone around the world is afraid of doing business with Cuba, Iran, Huawei, and other targets of US sanctions, because the US aggressively applies secondary sanctions. Th…

Ever heard that Taiwan is doing a stellar job holding off coronavirus? No, because China presses WHO into not mentioning Taiwan. We could learn a lot from Taiwan. China doesn't just boycott Taiwan, it makes others act as if the country doesn't exist. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan

I'm not the GP, but:

Yes, I heard about it plenty of times.

It's great that they're doing well, but that doesn't diminish the Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Newzealandese accomplishments in tackling covid19

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by berdario » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:41 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #58

trasz wrote: post #53

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Interesting opinion, given what Tibet looked like before Chinese invasion (tl;dr: it was a totalitarian hellhole, not comparable with the current situation).

If it's so improved, you have to explain why Tibetans regularly risk their lives escaping over the border to India, where - so long as they are not shot by border guards - they join the ruler of that former totalitarian hellhole, the Dalai Lama, in Dharamsala.

I'd like to read more, do you have any sources?

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by haukem » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

dcolkitt wrote: post #64

haukem wrote: post #36

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Normally the identity of contributors is not really checked when you want to contribute to an open source project. A valid email address and a name is sufficient to contribute to the Linux kernel. All changes to The Linux kernel are getting publicly reviewed, so the hard thing is passing this technical review if you want to introduce a backdoor. If people know you, based on previous contributions, the review could be…

Not just contributed. SELinux is primarily authored by the NSA.

Now Huawei is fixing bugs in SELinux: https://git.kernel.org/linus/68dae71b7cde628a082e982c0abbf6e...

Or reports them, so the NSA can fix them: https://git.kernel.org/linus/3a2f5a59a695a73e0cde9a61e0feae5...

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by berdario » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:48 PM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #35

curiousgal wrote: post #16

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Honestly, people seem to forget that this happened. They lose their shit at the slightest mention of Huawei/China but don't even have an issue using software released by the NSA[0]. Unpopular opinion, but if I had to choose between China and the U.S. spying on me, I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra

> I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. Frankly, I despise what the American government did to Assange and Manning. However, you can't even remotely compare their fate to what is happening every day to hundreds and thousands of people in different parts of China like Tibet. You have no chance of escaping, no chance of trial not to mention any…

About self-immolations for "Free Tibet": People in India, born in India, who have never visited Tibet are self immolating

https://qz.com/india/632077/quietly-a-tibetan-teenager-in-in...

To me, this does not speak about extreme suffering in Tibet, but rather:

1- A very strong sense of self-sacrifice and pride in their community

2- A very effective propaganda machine that persuades even people who haven't experienced suffering first-hand, to make the extreme sacrifice in support of the cause

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

mcraiha wrote: post #41

scns wrote: post #22

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Have you heard of the "Burning platform" memo?

Have you read "Paranoidi optimisti" by Risto Siilasmaa? All the big problems software wise were cause by Symbian. "Unfortunately, this was only the tip of the iceberg. Siilasmaa later learned that the overall build time of Symbian was two weeks." https://www.flashover.blog/posts/technical-debt/

How the fuck can a piece of software reach a two day compilation time without raising alarm bells? Sounds like a disfunctional organization where the only goal is just to ship features continuously.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by chaosharmonic » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

arthropodSeven wrote: post #3

Gonna be great when Congress gets word of this

You expect Congress to understand this in the first place?

Sure, the power balance just shifted substantially, but it still doesn't change the fact that a significant chunk of its leadership (majority party or otherwise) can't be bothered to understand how search rankings work, or how Facebook makes money.

And this extends at least as far back as the 90s, when Congress shuttered the Office of Technology Assessment, whose literal job was to educate them on these exact sorts of issues.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by bluedino » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

lrossi wrote: post #8

Original post: https://lwn.net/Articles/839772/ Lines of code are not a good metric for the importance of the contributions. You can see that the top developer actually made a single 26k loc commit that just removed a driver.

Aren't there 2 million lines just for the AMD drivers?

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by jjcc » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:12 PM UTC

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #73

threeseed wrote: post #66

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a) It's not Western news coverage but international. b) No one believes anything China has to say because they have a history of coverups and suppression. c) The lack of an independent press or judiciary means we don't have mechanisms to independently assess the truth.

It's not actually difficult to know what the basic situation is in China right now. Go on YouTube Twitter, or any other large social media platform and look at what people who are currently in China are saying. Even in this thread, I'm sure that some of the commenters are in China. You can also look coverage by Western press in China. A German-French public broadcaster did a report from Wuhan not too long ago that sh…

Since you mention YouTube, I quickly compile a list of Westerners who have lived some time in China, i.e. not tourists. To help people make decision if they are brainwashed. But usually "Brainwash" means brainwashed people can not find they are brainwashed.

List A: These 2 guys are thinkers then others. They should be working on different job. Expecially in Western intellegence to help westener better undrestading China)

1. Cyrus Janssen(American)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw

2. Daniel Dumbrill(Canadian)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw

List B: (Positive)

3 Matt (American)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ykci4MKSSdTJYuYp53G7A

4 Gweilo 60 (Canadian. Mainly positive. He also talked about negative side)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXOhG9bRDb3vSTg-qkPAZg

5 Jason(British)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw

6 Nathan Rish(American. Seem a little opinionted)