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Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by paxys »

01100011 wrote: post #44

I realized a few days into my current job that it was a bad fit for me. Unfortunately I'd have to pay back the $10k relocation package if I left, so I decided to stick it out. Last year I interviewed with a company and was ready to take the job but I had drinks with the manager and decided it was too much of a brogrammer shop for me. Looking back, if I had taken the job, I would have worked with friends, the brogramm…

> Unfortunately I'd have to pay back the $10k relocation package if I left, so I decided to stick it out.

For the future, this kind of stuff is very easy to negotiate with the new company, and should definitely not be the thing holding you back. E.g. "you would have paid relocation for me but I'm in the same city so help me pay back my current company for it instead".

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by bunfunton »

filoleg wrote: post #63
whitepaint wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reply that I posted to another comment: Why? If a person can learn bunch of algorithms and apply them to custom problems they probably can do quite a bit with computers. And it shows that they probably can learn new stuff rapidly as well. I don't get why so many developers hate Leetcode. I love it personally, I think it's great. And also, I think people are just lazy and don't want to learn new stuff so they whine in…

>I don't get why so many developers hate Leetcode. Because they think that the employer should recognize their greatness by just looking at their resume and having a simple conversation with them, instead of assessing them on some skill that they have to brush up on. After being on the interviewer side myself recently, I think those people just don't realize how hiring actually works. I've seen some people with impre…

So why not give a simple coding test? Talk through peoples thought processes. Giving leetcodes only reward people who have grinded leetcode. Grinding leetcode gets you better at solving leetcode and takes tons of time

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by Grimm1 »

jfk13 wrote: post #52
dvt wrote: post #29

I've done this before. Got an offer while I was still interviewing with a few other companies. Accepted the offer then a few weeks later another, significantly better, offer came through. I have absolutely no qualms about it, and I don't put the tiny stint on my resume. My work and expertise speaks for itself. It's sad that job hunting has become rife with Machiavellian machinations in the past three decades, but thi…

> This is all on top of the fact that engineers are woefully underpaid. I have finance friends that make literal millions in yearly bonuses. This is virtually unheard of in software, even though we provide orders of magnitude more value. That doesn't necessarily mean engineers are woefully underpaid. It may just be that your finance friends are obscenely overpaid. Though whether all/most engineers provide "orders of…

"Provide value"? Hmmm. To whom? Not humanity in general, I think."

The organization they're employed at. Which is obvious because we're talking about jobs here; that's what salaries are, in part, based on.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Having worked in hardware for most of my career, I can tell you that hardware labs are generally dark and messy.

Commutes are hell. If you are working on hardware, especially secret hardware, it's unlikely that you'll be allowed to work from home.

Note in the Apple Press Events, they always have this zoom thing, where they burrow into the earth to show you the hardware labs.

Sort of like The IT Crowd...

Re: Quitting a New Job

#85

Post by ashtonkem »

bigiain wrote: post #79
whitepaint wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly why those dumb whiteboard problems aren’t good for interviews; you’re not measuring what makes someone successful on a day to day basis. If that was the case, you think all of the biggest tech companies that have billions of dollars would continue using it? Did you ever consider that you might be wrong?

Cynical response: Because thats what the people already at the big company had to put up with during hiring, and damned if they’re gonna let any prospective newbies off with an easier recruiting process, no matter how broken and pointless it is...

Or, nobody has a better idea, at least not one that’s possible to administer cheaply.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by dvt »

jfk13 wrote: post #52
dvt wrote: post #29

I've done this before. Got an offer while I was still interviewing with a few other companies. Accepted the offer then a few weeks later another, significantly better, offer came through. I have absolutely no qualms about it, and I don't put the tiny stint on my resume. My work and expertise speaks for itself. It's sad that job hunting has become rife with Machiavellian machinations in the past three decades, but thi…

> This is all on top of the fact that engineers are woefully underpaid. I have finance friends that make literal millions in yearly bonuses. This is virtually unheard of in software, even though we provide orders of magnitude more value. That doesn't necessarily mean engineers are woefully underpaid. It may just be that your finance friends are obscenely overpaid. Though whether all/most engineers provide "orders of…

> Some of the highest-paid engineers, AIUI, devote their considerable expertise to optimising ad click rates.

I worked on an ad product with a team of 10 or so data scientists + engineers. I'd wager most of us made between 100k-175k + some tiny bonuses here and there. The product we built was making the company $2.5 million a month.

But hey we all got some cool jackets and a pat on the back. Give me a break. Money talks. I don't know why engineers are so shy when it comes to wanting more.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

jfk13 wrote: post #52
dvt wrote: post #29

I've done this before. Got an offer while I was still interviewing with a few other companies. Accepted the offer then a few weeks later another, significantly better, offer came through. I have absolutely no qualms about it, and I don't put the tiny stint on my resume. My work and expertise speaks for itself. It's sad that job hunting has become rife with Machiavellian machinations in the past three decades, but thi…

> This is all on top of the fact that engineers are woefully underpaid. I have finance friends that make literal millions in yearly bonuses. This is virtually unheard of in software, even though we provide orders of magnitude more value. That doesn't necessarily mean engineers are woefully underpaid. It may just be that your finance friends are obscenely overpaid. Though whether all/most engineers provide "orders of…

Well, we have this myth of meritocracy, but some proffessions are systemically underpaid like teachers - millions of future earnings depend on them, but noone ambitious wants to become a teacher, so our schooling kida sucks

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by [deleted] »

xapata wrote: post #47
0x445442 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that, but I'm getting the feeling a developer's best option these days for maximizing pay increases is to spend their free time on Leetcode. Which in my opinion is a problem from an industry perspective.

Leetcode, Project Euler, etc. may not feel like a programmer's daily tasks, but they may yet be a good proxy for many behaviors that large employers desire. For example, a large employer may want a willingness to do arbitrary, difficult tasks that appear meaningless. These same employers may have a variety of software maintenance tasks that require recognizing a pattern of problem, knowing the appropriate algorithm f…

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Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by bigiain »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #73
whitepaint wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which in my opinion is a problem from an industry perspective. Why? If a person can learn bunch of algorithms and apply them to custom problems they probably can do quite a bit with computers. And it shows that they probably can learn new stuff rapidly as well. I don't get why so many developers hate Leetcode. I love it personally, I think it's great. And also, I think people are just lazy and don't want to learn n…

Because it's like hiring an industrial petrolium chemist based on how many party tricks he can do with fireworks.

I’d _totally_ hire that guy!
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