Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

Post by pjc50 » Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 6:34 PM UTC

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They applied in 1999. They were told what criteria to meet. They have not yet met them. This includes freedom and rule of law criteria. EU accession is not going to happen until Turkey is more like a normal European country.

It's hard to believe the process is still going on. I remember on the first day of a class in 2004, the instructor had everyone introduce ourselves. One of the students started with, "Hi, I'm from Turkey. You have probably heard about my country from our lame attempts to join the EU..."

Post by wonnage » Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 6:34 PM UTC

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I don't believe HN is the right place to engage in political discussions but I need to clarify couple of points. > Turkey wants a fight. You need to make clear references about what and who you refer to when you say "Turkey". Even with a totally oppressed media and everything else, Erdogan's support in Turkey is in the band of 30-40%. Majority of Turkish citizens are not happy with him. Western world keeps doing the…

Yes, thank you. I am not one to mince words but think people make a huge mistake when they talk about what ${country} wants instead of ${country.leader} or ${party}

Post by wonnage » Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 6:35 PM UTC

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Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN…

> Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.

Post by pjc50 » Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 6:37 PM UTC

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> Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country. > Ethiopia Can't afford to. There is no solution without ending the war, and there's no solution to that without addressing the forces keeping it going. It's like many of the Cold War conflicts, a proxy for wars not being fought with Russia.

> They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country. I see, thanks. Is there any sanctions, diplomatic pressure that can be applied? I am just trying to put myself into the shoes of the average German who doesn't give a shit about geopolitical state of the world - they see a bunch of refugees with zero skills, language barrier and strong embedded religious fundamenta…

Post by Nginx487 » Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 6:40 PM UTC

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Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN…

Not sure why you got downvoted, it’s very concerning. Before the coup attempt I was hopeful in democracy for Turkey. I believe it was then when most opposition was routed :/