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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by BearOso »

admiralspoo wrote: post #44
gigatexal wrote: post #3

This is how-to-make-a-click-bait article-101. Show me an x86 laptop in the same power envelope that can match the fanless MacBook Air with the m1. I’ll wait. Oh and do so at roughly 1k. On the desktop the Mac mini is 699 USD in its base spec. The 5800X is 500 euros on its own before motherboard, case, ram etc etc. Apples to apples benchmarks either controlling for power or price would make for a more relevant article…

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. The M1 is ahead by 2-3x in performance per watt and highly competitive in performance/dollar. This result is indeed quite meaningless as Apple will have 16 high-performance core variants of the M1 soon.

> Apple will have 16 high-performance core variants of the M1 soon

I doubt that’s coming soon. The M1 is a HUGE chip. The decoders and pipelines take up a massive amount of space, and the L2 cache is apparently unwieldy, too. They’ve focused on making a limited number of cores perform very well, but there isn’t enough room. They need another die shrink to add any more.

I think the upcoming pro hardware will just be tweaks to the current formula.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by alwillis »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #23
echlebek wrote: post #17

This isn't an apples to apples comparison like the author says, because the package power (37W) of the Ryzen is still quite a bit higher than the M1's. You can see it right there in the graph from Anandtech. The 5800X is a beast of a CPU. The IPC improvements over the previous generation really are incredible. It's not surprising to me at all that it beats the M1 in several benchmarks. However, it's not the same clas…

In the real world, there aren't many people making purchasing decision between an M1 Apple laptop or Mac Mini and an AMD 5800X desktop machine anyway. Still interesting to see the comparisons. The leaked Geekbench results of AMD's upcoming 5800H laptop parts are about 85% of the M1's single core score and matching the M1's multi-core score. TDP is still higher than the M1, obviously, but AMD is also using a 7nm proce…

However, the sentiment that the M1 chip obliterates any and every desktop part on the market is getting kind of silly at this point.

1. Nobody ever stated that. If anything, it was all of the Intel and AMD users who created that straw man. "See, it's slower than a 64-core Threadripper at 280 watts". No kidding.

2. The M1 is clearly not a desktop-class SoC nor was it intended to be. However, it's more than competitive with many desktop x86 processors that run faster and hotter while consuming much more power.

3. As a first attempt, the M1’s performance per watt is very impressive. Obviously the 5nm process helps but it's never one thing with Apple: it's the unified memory, the 8 instruction decoders (AMD and Intel max out at 4), and the integration of the 16-core Neural Engine, among other features.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by vbezhenar »

ece wrote: post #77
liquidise wrote: post #47

Last year i replaced my aging mac pro with a 3900x amd Hackintosh. The cpu upgrade was hard to believe. Everything felt fast in a way even my 2019 air failed to achieve. The idea that the laptop-grade M1 is keeping pace in these tests with the processor in my desktop is mind blowing. Sure the 5800x was tuned for these tests. Sure the M1 is on 5nm. All of this is missing the point: Intel created a huge market opportun…

If they could just get even or ahead on EUV, which they skipped on 10nm, I think they will be just fine.

They will surrender and buy from TSMC.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

echlebek wrote: post #57
nominated1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And directly above that graph says: > please keep in mind that for single-threaded tasks, a single core doesn’t consume all 95W TDP headroom of the CPU. Based on Anandtech’s analysis, a single 5800X core only consumes 17.3W at 4850 MHz Remember these are single-threaded benchmarks.

Yeah, that's irrelevant. One M1 core is not going to use its entire package power either, because there are other powered cores in there like the GPU. Look at the chart again. One Ryzen core active, 37 watts total package power. It doesn't matter what the per core wattage is, because you can't get that one core without the package.

> One Ryzen core active, 37 watts total package power. It doesn't matter what the per core wattage is, because you can't get that one core without the package.

This is the desktop Zen 3 which is still using the 12nm I/O die. It uses more power as a result, which nobody really cares about on the desktop. The Ryzen laptops use a single die which is entirely 7nm and thereby less power with no corresponding reduction in performance.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by woah »

mhh__ wrote: post #78
liquidise wrote: post #47

Last year i replaced my aging mac pro with a 3900x amd Hackintosh. The cpu upgrade was hard to believe. Everything felt fast in a way even my 2019 air failed to achieve. The idea that the laptop-grade M1 is keeping pace in these tests with the processor in my desktop is mind blowing. Sure the 5800x was tuned for these tests. Sure the M1 is on 5nm. All of this is missing the point: Intel created a huge market opportun…

> Let's all hope intel can turn things around and keep the space competitive. Although they have a lot of work to do, I can't help but think people writing off Intel are way too keen. Intel's annual dividend is still bigger than AMD's revenue IIRC, so at worst they should be able to buy themselves out of the hole they're in.

They haven't bought themselves out in 10 years, how much longer is it going to take?

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by eyelidlessness »

barkingcat wrote: post #69
eyelidlessness wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, not quite. They claimed that their own processor designs will beat everything. They made significantly less bold claims about the M1. While obviously neither of us can predict exactly what they’re planning for the rest of the product line, I think it would be naive to assume they haven’t at least internally validated that they can improve performance above these entry level offerings. Otherwise they just axed a…

I think it's very naive to assume that the marketing department of a megacorporation isn't going to say anything to make more sales. It's likely that no-one has validated anything when it comes to future tense comparisons. Read all, believe nothing, especially don't believe the future predictions of someone trying to sell you a laptop today. Apple has future M1 samples for sure, but they don't have future AMD samples…

> I think it's very naive to assume that the marketing department of a megacorporation isn't going to say anything to make more sales.

Huh? I was just saying the claim (whether it turns out to be true or not) wasn’t about only the M1, and that it’s more reasonable to assume that Apple is confident they can release something above their lowest range offerings.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by threeseed »

akmarinov wrote: post #40
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the real world, there aren't many people making purchasing decision between an M1 Apple laptop or Mac Mini and an AMD 5800X desktop machine anyway. Still interesting to see the comparisons. The leaked Geekbench results of AMD's upcoming 5800H laptop parts are about 85% of the M1's single core score and matching the M1's multi-core score. TDP is still higher than the M1, obviously, but AMD is also using a 7nm proce…

Let’s not forget that the M1 is the budget (for Apple), low performance SoC. Let’s see what the M1X is like mid next year.

Also M2 is going to be for the mid-range 14/16" MacBook Pro + iMac.

You will need to wait for the M3 in 2022 for the true desktop HEDT/Threadripper competitor.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by mhh__ »

woah wrote: post #85
mhh__ wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's all hope intel can turn things around and keep the space competitive. Although they have a lot of work to do, I can't help but think people writing off Intel are way too keen. Intel's annual dividend is still bigger than AMD's revenue IIRC, so at worst they should be able to buy themselves out of the hole they're in.

They haven't bought themselves out in 10 years, how much longer is it going to take?

Why would you bother when your competitor (AMD) is literally nowhere? For example, in 2013 AMD's revenue was something like 7% of Intel's.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by threeseed »

p1necone wrote: post #58
gzer0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, the conclusion states the following: > While M1 is indeed very powerful for its size, when comparing it to the high-end x86 desktop, it is still slower. Okay, great. I'm not sure what to expect when you compare the lowest end first generation processor from Apple to one of the more high-end of the spectrum x86. Edit: Forgot to mention how the power draw on the M1 is still significantly less; m1 with al…

The reason people are making these comparisons between CPUs that are basically in entirely separate market segments is because of apples marketing suggesting that the M1 beats everything , rather than just other low power CPUs, and people taking said marketing at face value.

Can you provide a link where they say it beats everything ?

Because on their marketing page they specifically compare it to laptops and refer to low-power use cases. I have never seen them compare it against HEDT platforms.

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