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Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

To play the devil's advocate, most small business in my area of Europe(bars, cafes, bands, jazz/rock halls, shops, restaurants and even dentists) rely on Facebook for reaching out to their customers or audience, organizing and advertising events and even for customer support via Facebook Messenger to the point where their Facebook page has replaced their main website as it's more alive since it's easier for their sta…

But are they using Facebook Ads for this or simply using a page/group? Nobody's trying to ban FB pages and groups, it's the insitious tracking and data sharing.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Maybe it’s because Facebook has killed anyone’s desire to check out a website, penalizing those that don’t have an entry on the platform?

Many people prefer looking at the companies Facebook page, rather than the website. Sometimes, websites are designed poorly and can confuse the visitor. Meanwhile, the Facebook page shows customer ratings, posts, comments, reactions, and other useful information.

That just seems like an opportunity for competition in the space of website builders for small business.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I'm sure there are a lot of businesses that can exist by knowing everything about me. And, frankly, I think it's ok if they do... as long as they have my permission. The nice thing is that this is what this change does. It makes it more clear who, and what, is sharing information about me. A world where we have apps and websites that pop up with an alert "This website will share information about you with Facebook, e…

I had a minimal Facebook account that I wasn’t really using, so I deleted it. Before deleting, I downloaded the third party vendors that Facebook shared data with and was shocked. I almost am never logged in to Facebook and yet here was Home Depot, the company I get face wash from, etc all linked back to my account somehow, and I had no idea.

> so I deleted it

I wonder if FB actually deleted it. FB, LinkedIn, etc maintain profiles of non-users as well, both to sell ads off property and, ahem, “to provide a better experience for new members”.

I think very few people realize that those “share” buttons on websites provide tracking info to the respective sites simply by exposing them.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I’m on iOS primarily for this reason. If you don’t want to pay the Apple tax just get second hand devices. I just upgraded to the iPhone 8 and it’s perfect. Feels premium still. Does everything I need.

the SE 2 is also a pretty good price, it's only a generation behind in the processor department (7nm A13), has touch ID (no mask moving for face ID) and is $400 (449 for 128gb). Apple's margins for this device can't be large given the iP8 it's modeled after costed $700 at launch.

It looks fantastic. The only downside for me is that it lacks a headphone jack.

How easy is it to port contacts and texts over from the Google ecosystem?

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

> There doesn't seem to be a good, evident third option just yet. I think a good middle ground here is an opt-out approach on Apple's end. Force the user to make a cognitive choice here with a clear understanding of what their choice means. Communication is key. Some users may very well appreciate and value the hyper-relevant advertisements they see on services, and remain opted-in to the sharing of tracking data. I…

That’s exactly what Apple is planning to implement, and what Facebook opposes.

When given a choice, 70% of people opt-out. This is terrifying to Facebook.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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A while ago Facebook banned my small businesses advertising account out of the blue with no reason given, and gave no option to appeal or even find out what (if anything) I was doing wrong. This move effectively killed my business. The idea of FB caring about the 'little guys' is laughable.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I would imagine the audience for these full page ads isn't the general public - it's regulators and lobbyists. The ad highlights that Apple has the ability to unilaterally make decisions that can damage revenues for millions of businesses overnight. Even if the decisions are made in the name of noble causes like privacy, this raises huge antitrust flags.

Making the decision to let the user make the decision is raising antitrust flags?

Even for opted-in users, Apple is reducing the amount of click data that can be transmitted via both in-app browsers and Safari. This new protocol was rejected by multiple W3C committees because it breaks a lot of fraud prevention mechanisms, but Apple is moving forward with it anyways. https://webkit.org/blog/8943/privacy-preserving-ad-click-att...

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Maybe it’s because Facebook has killed anyone’s desire to check out a website, penalizing those that don’t have an entry on the platform?

Most of those business dont need a website. They only need one place ( cough centralised cough ) where their customer can easily find them, have all the relevant information, ( Email, Tele, Opening Time etc ), and a small space for newest update. Which could be special menu once in a while. And that is it. It is the same thing as most business dont need an App. And on the last point, you dont need a Facebook account…

> They only need one place ( cough centralised cough ) where their customer can easily find them, have all the relevant information, ( Email, Tele, Opening Time etc ), and a small space for newest update.

Google also offer this service, which lets small businesses display opening times and updates so that searchers get up to date info. I’d argue this is more useful as it lets new customers find you, as opposed to your existing followers on Facebook. In any case most business have to now update this info on multiple places.

But re “don’t need a website” — you can get one for less than €50/year, and you get a @yourbusiness.domain + email as well.

If this is too much for you, you’re not a serious player. In fact, a business running on a @gmail or @yahoo address, with the online presence being on Facebook screams “amateur” or even possibly “scammer”. In any case it’s a useful signal that the owner isn’t really committed.

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