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Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by nvrGiveUp »

lqet wrote: post #77
asveikau wrote: post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

Purely anecdotal and unscientific, but a few years ago I watched a documentary in which a TV team followed identical twins. One of them only ate pasta-based meals for a month, the other only ate potato-based meals (if I remember correctly, they made sure that both meals where basically the same, modulo potato/pasta). They checked blood results, BMI, etc. before and after the diet. The potato-eating twin gained a few…

Yeah that is Unscientific

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Post by delecti »

asveikau wrote: post #30
konschubert wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of this meme: https://mk0dietvsdiseascuno2.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...

That's amusing on one level, but I do know that many struggle to create a caloric deficit, and some foods do seem to make it easier to feel full with less.

Definitely, and I feel like "some foods" varies per individual more than I hear people talk about.

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Post by nvrGiveUp »

b0rsuk wrote: post #46

Popularity of pasta in Italy is part of nation's accumulated wisdom. Pasta is popular simply because it _works_. It gradually releases water over time. This makes it very popular among marathon runners for example. Pasta's dietary properties make it very popular in notoriously sunny Italy, where activity slows down during midday.

I think rice is the opposite.

I had a coworker say that since rice absorbs water, it can also do this during digestion.

I noticed a similar effect when I was drinking too much. I would only be hungover after having rice.

And to clarify a point, it was fried rice that cooled, meaning it wasn't watery.

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Post by treeman79 »

arnejenssen wrote: post #42
ummonk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean that in a negative way? A food with carbs that release over 4-5 hours seems ideal for lunch.

Practitioners of intermittent fasting and keto diet claim we have more mental clarity when we are in ketosis. During the experiment I made a homemade pizza with about 300 g of flour. After eating it I experienced brain-fog and I was not able to focus on reading a book that evening.

Personally I think mental clarity comes lack of immune response to all the sugar.

Ate mostly plain sweet potatoes for a month. Mental clarity sky rocketed.

Most foods make me mentally sluggish for hours. Strict keto leaves me physically weak though

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Post by briefcomment »

asveikau wrote: post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

This is why food bans are bad. The same thing that harms one person can work for someone else.

Even something like Bloomberg's ban on large sodas is probably heavy handed. Sugar is not always a poison. It can be a valuable fuel, even at large quantities (and large sizes can also add a lot of convenience to some people's lives).

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

jeromenerf wrote: post #15

I love these events that makes food, cuisine and gastronomy political. In France, cuisine critics Gault et Millau attacked the fat, slow cooked, sauce heavy French cuisine for the same reason, opening the way for the new French cuisine "chefs". Pleasures of the senses over satiety. Earlier, Etienne Auguste Parmentier used elaborate tactics to have the potato accepted by the population, from fake guards around the fie…

> from fake guards around the fields

Is there any actual proof of this? The same story has been told about Frederick the Great, and I always assumed it was an urban legend.

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Post by Justin_K »

briefcomment wrote: post #85
asveikau wrote: post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

This is why food bans are bad. The same thing that harms one person can work for someone else. Even something like Bloomberg's ban on large sodas is probably heavy handed. Sugar is not always a poison. It can be a valuable fuel, even at large quantities (and large sizes can also add a lot of convenience to some people's lives).

The problem is the sugar is addictive, abused by 99% of its users and it provides no benefit. In what cases is soda a valuable fuel that couldn't be replaced by something more natural and healthy?

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

jessermeyer wrote: post #65
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #53

Everything dates back to post-ww2. One of the key people was Ancel Keys. He falsified data and excluded significant data from his studies in order to push a narrative that saturated fats were bad for you. That eating plants was the only healthy way forward. Then the governments around the world pushed out their food pyramids that reinforced this idea. We then had obvious paradoxes where in neighbours like France and…

>Over the last several decades they have debunked and disproven this several times. Citations please.

>Citations please.

1969: Dietary sugar and coronary heart disease J Yudkin

1973: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/26/5/524/4816...

1977: "Diet-Heart: End of an Era" Mann George V

2002: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.0000019552.77...

2009: Sugar: The Bitter Truth, Robert Lustig (MD, PhD)

There's significant studies done in the last 10 years. We know for a fact that carbs/sugar are the problem. Virtually all diabetes associations now push low carb diets.

I suspect these citations will mean nothing, I'm down around -10 for this post. Like I said, going to be huge amounts of resistance to this one.

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