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Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by influx »

GhostVII wrote: post #51

Google's UI's in general are shockingly slow. I don't understand why my Google Drive and Gmail have input lag and choppy animations on my 5 year old xps13, it's not that hard to make navigating a filesystem or list of emails fast. Actually I do understand, it's because they want everything they build to be made in a massive javascript framework with shared components, which looks nice but runs like garbage on anythin…

The original gmail design was so fast, beautiful and minimalistic. It had vi key bindings and was close to perfect.

The new one had a bunch of useless white space and the app has a loading bar!

Wtf?!

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by maxsilver »

gravypod wrote: post #63
levosmetalo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is everyone assuming that just because someone works for Google has to be competent? Solving algorithmic puzzles is not an indicator or actual technical skills. To me, it looks like a work of incompetent developers led by incompetent technical managers upon requirements of clueless and ignorant product managers.

Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. They're attempting to maximize their velocity, maximize their API stability, and make programmatic usage of their system as easy as possible. GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick. Probably the best one of the bunch (Azure, AWS, Oracle, OVH, ...).

> Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. (snip) GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick.

That's still incompetence. That counts as incompetence, too.

"This restaurant is filthy and full of bugs, but that's OK, because they're take-out only, so they're not optimizing for the same thing the average sit-down restaurant is. Sure, that place is disgusting, but the food in box still tasted pretty good..."

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by sitkack »

sempron64 wrote: post #55
midrus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked for many companies, small and large, corporate and startups. None of them had performance as a priority, or even considered at the product level. Any minimal performance optimization or win we had was because a developer cared enough for it.... but maybe I'm the only one and just had bad luck with the product managers/owners I had.

In my experience performance became a secondary (not primary!) priority once big customers began to threaten to not renew their contracts

I have seen the same basic cycle, management says don't focus on perf, just "knock out" (I despise this lingo) the features. They have this overconfidence, but flop on the next release and patronize the dev team about perf.

1) tracked from the beginning so it is drained from the system merge by merge

2) architected in at the design level and not applied as a spell.

I really like what the rust team is doing with tracking rustc compilation times. Another reason that integration tests are the best tests.

https://perf.rust-lang.org/status.html

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by jabroni_salad »

notretarded wrote: post #59
ubercow13 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is just that. Google is just shockingly bad at web frontend. All their properties are terrible, except maybe Youtube which I find quite agreeable. For example I just made a search on google.com, the most popular website in the world, and it can't even fit the content into this reasonably sized window [1]. [1] https://i.imgur.com/ER5yfbd.png

Try not using an esoteric desktop environment and web browser.

uh, I'm using chrome on windows on a 2560x1440 monitor and have a horizontal scroll on google as well. I actually have power toy'd my windows to a 60/40 split because of this and other websites unable to display properly with 50% width, which I really don't feel should be a huge ask considering the website works fine on a phone.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by the_duke »

gravypod wrote: post #63
levosmetalo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is everyone assuming that just because someone works for Google has to be competent? Solving algorithmic puzzles is not an indicator or actual technical skills. To me, it looks like a work of incompetent developers led by incompetent technical managers upon requirements of clueless and ignorant product managers.

Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. They're attempting to maximize their velocity, maximize their API stability, and make programmatic usage of their system as easy as possible. GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick. Probably the best one of the bunch (Azure, AWS, Oracle, OVH, ...).

I thought Terraform provider was developed/maintained by Hashicorp, not Google. Are Google employees actively involved? I also did encounter annoying issues (which have slowly been getting better though).

I guess it might speak to a solid, if somewhat slow, API.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by gravypod »

maxsilver wrote: post #83
gravypod wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. They're attempting to maximize their velocity, maximize their API stability, and make programmatic usage of their system as easy as possible. GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick. Probably the best one of the bunch (Azure, AWS, Oracle, OVH, ...).

> Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. (snip) GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick. That's still incompetence. That counts as incompetence, too. "This restaurant is filthy and full of bugs, but that's OK, because they're take-out only, so they're not optimizing for the same thing the average sit-down resta…

A better comparison:

"This restaurant only has one table and 1 chair with a broken leg and gum stuck to the seat but that's ok because they're take-out only"

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by ubercow13 »

notretarded wrote: post #59
ubercow13 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is just that. Google is just shockingly bad at web frontend. All their properties are terrible, except maybe Youtube which I find quite agreeable. For example I just made a search on google.com, the most popular website in the world, and it can't even fit the content into this reasonably sized window [1]. [1] https://i.imgur.com/ER5yfbd.png

Try not using an esoteric desktop environment and web browser.

Oh I'm sorry that Chrome, Google's own browser, is not suitable for viewing their own website. I guess it must be detecting that I am using Linux and breaking on purpose?

https://i.imgur.com/nIQdZU7.png

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by gravypod »

the_duke wrote: post #87
gravypod wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. They're attempting to maximize their velocity, maximize their API stability, and make programmatic usage of their system as easy as possible. GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick. Probably the best one of the bunch (Azure, AWS, Oracle, OVH, ...).

I thought Terraform provider was developed/maintained by Hashicorp, not Google. Are Google employees actively involved? I also did encounter annoying issues (which have slowly been getting better though). I guess it might speak to a solid, if somewhat slow, API.

The terraform provider is usually a near 1:1 mapping of the provider's APIs.
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