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San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by heshiebee »

xfitm3 wrote: post #48
gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only trick is how you convince everyone to comply. Translate that to: how do we crush the poor, destroy livelihoods and deprive children of education? Compliance, knave!

I despise lockdowns and my state won't enforce them. I am so thankful to be in a level headed state. Forcing people into poverty is just as bad or even worse as getting a virus. In my area beyond after the initial reopening its business as normal. Everyone is having parties and celebrating, living a normal life.

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Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by adinosaur123 »

avalys wrote: post #17

Wow. Lest anyone think that Dr. Morrow is some kind of anti-lockdown activist - back in the spring, San Mateo county had one of the most restrictive and prescriptive lockdowns of anywhere in the US (residents were ordered to limit outdoor recreation to within 5 miles of their home). It takes a lot of guts to just look objectively at the data and do what you think is right, regardless of what pressure you’re getting f…

> "I also believe these greater restrictions will result in more job loss, more hunger, more despair and desperation (...) and more death from causes other than COVID. And I wonder, are these premature deaths any less worrisome than COVID deaths?”

There's been a total of 164 registered COVID-19 related deaths in San Francisco county, the vast majority of which had other comorbidities, assuming trend[1]. On the other hand, there has been nearly three times (~460) as many deaths in San Francisco related to overdoses between January and August alone[2].

It's hard to disagree with his sentiment.

[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Co...

[2]: https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2020/sf-overdoses-inter...

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by shostack »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #69
avalys wrote: post #17

Wow. Lest anyone think that Dr. Morrow is some kind of anti-lockdown activist - back in the spring, San Mateo county had one of the most restrictive and prescriptive lockdowns of anywhere in the US (residents were ordered to limit outdoor recreation to within 5 miles of their home). It takes a lot of guts to just look objectively at the data and do what you think is right, regardless of what pressure you’re getting f…

I live in San Mateo county, and am interested in knowing what to do to stay safe. This is the first I've heard about limiting outdoor recreation to within 5 miles of my home. I haven't been notified about any of the details of any of the lockdowns. In the Spring, I encountered a group of people who had just been released from jail during one of my monthly shopping trips. Despite having just been in government custody…

What have you tried to stay notified about details? the SMCAlert system texts and emails me links to details as soon as any changes occur. It has been fantastic for this and other situations.

https://hsd.smcsheriff.com/smcalert

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by soupson »

GhostVII wrote: post #56
garmaine wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We went into a tough lockdown, stamped out the virus Unfortunately no one here in the USA in a position of power recognizes that this should be the goal. Instead the lockdowns last only long enough for the ICU capacity to free up, then reopening the economy becomes the major goal. We need to stamp this virus out entirely, like you and your neighbors in NZ and TW have done.

Why should the US have an extremely costly lockdown (which will almost certainly fail) to stamp out a virus for which we will have a vaccine being rolled out in a week? Mask orders and other low-impact restrictions are great but I don't understand why you would try to get rid of the virus with lockdowns at this point.

It’s going to take at least a year to get the vaccine at scale and a significant portion of the population straight up won’t take it because they don’t want 5G autism.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by shostack »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #32

Reading this I was expecting the same knee-jerk, panic response that has become the "acceptable" public health response to the problem the pandemic places before us. While I detect a hint of futility in this statement, I am nonetheless deeply heartened to know some public health officials are themselves questioning some of the simplistic premises that have been driving policy to this point at all levels of government…

If you go back and read his earlier statements, you can clearly see the evolution of his frustration. He's been a straight shooter on this from the start.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by shostack »

ivankirigin wrote: post #3

This is a surprisingly coherent. I live in San Mateo County. One thing I've noticed is that the cases are not evenly distributed. California has 600/1M new cases, vs 1000/M in South Dakota. LA county has 740/1M. San Mateo County has 313/1M. Within San Mateo County, San Carlos is 119/1M, and East Palo Alto is 675/1M. It's incredibly hard to set policy when everything is so different, down to towns with 30K people a fe…

I wonder how much those differences in close areas matter because of people traveling locally for work, coming into contact with people from other areas, etc.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by shostack »

samcheng wrote: post #6

I may not agree with Dr. Morrow, but I definitely salute his willingness to buck consensus. We need civil discourse and robust dissent in our lives, and not in the form of “alternative facts”. I think most of the facts he lists are true, just that his judgements are not quite where mine are.

Why do you not agree with him?

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by viraptor »

hnrodey wrote: post #24

The article says in San Mateo county there are an estimated 8000-15000 contagious people. That’s several times higher than how many positive test results have been logged in the past 14 days. https://thecovidcomplex.com/state/california/san-mateo/summa... Disclosure: this is my website based on data from the New York Times.

Not sure if this is still the case, but in the past multiple people from one household / coming to the drive-through testing place together were not get all checked. It was "one of you has symptoms, you all isolate; one of you with symptoms tests positive, you're all positive". (but not recorded positive) Which means the true cases number is at least tests x avg-people-per-household + asymptomatic people not tested + ...

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by sp332 »

avalys wrote: post #17

Wow. Lest anyone think that Dr. Morrow is some kind of anti-lockdown activist - back in the spring, San Mateo county had one of the most restrictive and prescriptive lockdowns of anywhere in the US (residents were ordered to limit outdoor recreation to within 5 miles of their home). It takes a lot of guts to just look objectively at the data and do what you think is right, regardless of what pressure you’re getting f…

It's supposed to be supported isolation. Gotta make sure people can make rent and eat and otherwise stay alive, or they're not going to stay home.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by lefrenchy »

> What I believed back in May, and what I believe now, is the power and authority to control this pandemic lies primarily in your hands, not mine.

So it’s our fault? Some countries succeeded in crushing this virus because of efficient testing and contact tracing, incisive lock downs, and other measures which are put in place by public authority or institutions.

What a poor way to deflect blame for the incredibly poor job our government and institutions have done to protect us.

Sure, a lot of started from the top down, states need federal funding, and so on and so forth. But to basically tell people they are on their own, is so bad. This is a public health crisis, what authority and power do I honestly have?

It’s incredible that our public officials continue to deflect blame to try to distract from how embarrassingly bad our infrastructure was and still is for handling a crisis like this.

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