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Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by zimpenfish »

ArchOversight wrote: post #71
gardaani wrote: post #64

Macs can also play HDR content on external displays, such as HDR televisions and projectors. This document lists Mac models supporting HDR: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210980 I seems that the new MacBook Air with M1 can't play HDR content on external displays. :(

What makes you say that the MacBook Air with M1 can't play HDR content on external displays? The MacBook Air with M1 has two USB 4 ports. USB 4 is Thunderbolt 3 + some extra bits. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201736 for information.

The "Mac models that support HDR" table on https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210980 says that MacBook Airs introduced after 2018 can only do SDR on external displays - if it doesn't include the 2020 Air, they'd surely have called that out?

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by boromi »

Androider wrote: post #47
AnssiH wrote: post #13

When still talking about mixed SDR+HDR content on a HDR display having differently mapped whites, the article says: > it’s strange and new, and possibly unique to Apple. But that is exactly how Windows 10 does it with HDR displays, too. So not really unique to Apple. To the article's benefit, it did say "possibly" :) I'm using Win 10 myself with an HDR display, and HDR white appears brighter than "desktop" white just…

The Windows HDR implementation is complete crap, exactly because they don't have have full control of the hardware stack as Apple does and can't change all the monitor settings like they would need to. When you toggle HDR on Windows, the desktop becomes dull gray and desaturated exactly because they pull down the previous desktop brightness to something less than 255. So you have to then adjust your monitor's brightn…

So how exactly do we correctly set HDR on Windows?

You have the HDR/SDR brightness balance to set and the monitor's own contrast adjustments.

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by qubitcoder »

ArchOversight wrote: post #71
gardaani wrote: post #64

Macs can also play HDR content on external displays, such as HDR televisions and projectors. This document lists Mac models supporting HDR: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210980 I seems that the new MacBook Air with M1 can't play HDR content on external displays. :(

What makes you say that the MacBook Air with M1 can't play HDR content on external displays? The MacBook Air with M1 has two USB 4 ports. USB 4 is Thunderbolt 3 + some extra bits. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201736 for information.

It could be a function of their integrated graphics approach with the M1 (SoC), as opposed to simply having the right ports. That's just a guess, however.

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by xenonite »

gardaani wrote: post #64

Macs can also play HDR content on external displays, such as HDR televisions and projectors. This document lists Mac models supporting HDR: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210980 I seems that the new MacBook Air with M1 can't play HDR content on external displays. :(

is this practically confirmed?

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by boromi »

It seems to me that Microsoft really makes no effort to improve subtle aspects of Windows and hardware integration. In fact, their OS is in such shambles and is a disoriented mess with respect to UI consistency. They introduced Vista, Metro, and now Fluent. Yet there's almost no coherence and the UI is now a mish-mash of XP, Metro, and Fluent era elements. By the time they announce their next UI, you can bet you'll now see yet another ingredient added to the jumbled soup.

It really is beyond belief that an organization with so many employees can fail to adhere to a uniform vision and standard and focus on correcting details.

I'm a life long Windows and Android user. But honestly, seeing articles like this and how smooth the UI on macOS and uniformly they apply new updates and UI changes makes me extremely jealous and resentful that Microsoft is so bad at something so basic.

Features are great, but users at their start point interact with UI first. They need to fix that before anything else.

Now they want to give you the option to run Android apps on Windows through emulation. This just going to create a bigger jumbled mess.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

boromi wrote: post #85

It seems to me that Microsoft really makes no effort to improve subtle aspects of Windows and hardware integration. In fact, their OS is in such shambles and is a disoriented mess with respect to UI consistency. They introduced Vista, Metro, and now Fluent. Yet there's almost no coherence and the UI is now a mish-mash of XP, Metro, and Fluent era elements. By the time they announce their next UI, you can bet you'll n…

Apple has gone through their share of UI fads and APIs. And by dropping backward compatibility more often users see less variation.

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by Rapzid »

The industry is in a very strange place right now. HDR monitors are both quite expensive and unimpressive compared to the HDR OLED TVs..

For the 5-6k that this display from Apple costs, I would certainly expect it to be an OLED display at LEAST. But it's not.

How is this the best we can get and it's NOT OLED? Dimming zones for 6k? I don't understand what's going on, I just want a nice OLED monitor that will fit on my monitor arm. I'll even pay the same price that you can get an AMAZING 55" OLED TV from LG for; 1500-2k.

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

boromi wrote: post #85

It seems to me that Microsoft really makes no effort to improve subtle aspects of Windows and hardware integration. In fact, their OS is in such shambles and is a disoriented mess with respect to UI consistency. They introduced Vista, Metro, and now Fluent. Yet there's almost no coherence and the UI is now a mish-mash of XP, Metro, and Fluent era elements. By the time they announce their next UI, you can bet you'll n…

>It seems to me that Microsoft really makes no effort to improve subtle aspects of Windows and hardware integration.

Latest Windows 10 iteration is by far the snappiest OS I've used in a long time since it uses GPU acceleration for the desktop window manager. You can check this in task manager. The icing on the cake, if you gave a laptop with 2 GPUS(Optimus) is when you can run a demanding 3D app like a game in windowed mode in parallel with other stuff like watching videos on youtube and you can see in task manager how windows uses the external GPU to render the game and the integrated GPU to accelerate your web browser, all running butterly smooth.

>In fact, their OS is in such shambles and is a disoriented mess with respect to UI consistency.

True, but that's what you get with 30 years worth of built in backwards compatibility. I can run a copy of Unreal Tournament 1999 that was just copied off an old PC with no sweat right after ripping and tearing in Doom Eternal. Can you run 20 year old software on current Apple without emulation? Apple can afford to innovate in revolutionary ways when it dumps older baggage whenever it feels like it and start from a fresh drawing board without looking back, see intel to apple silicon transition. In 2 years x86 apps will be considered legacy/obsolete on Mac hardware. Microsoft can't really do this with windows so yeah, it's a mess of new GUI elements for the simple stuff and windows 2000 era GUI elements for the deep pro settings. The advantage is that if you're an old time Windows user you can easily find your way using the "old" settings and if you're new to windows you can do most configs through the "new" GUI without touching the scary looking "old" settings.

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by kuschku »

1123581321 wrote: post #59
kuschku wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The competition was also before the XDR similarly priced. Asus had 2 or 3 at that price point, and Apple had the XDR. And then there's the Dell UP2718Q, almost entirely the exact same specs, but only 4K, at 1600€. Released 2017, years before the XDR.

I like that Dell display (I mostly use Dell and LG displays) and most people should certainly save the money. The areas where the specs aren't the same are really significant though (e.g., resolution, as you noted, is a major difference despite only being one of the specs. Brightness, dynamic brightness, and size are also quite significant and drivers of major cost differences in just about any monitor comparison.) H…

If you're only using it for light HDR work, both are almost equally usable, and if you're mastering HDR content all the time, you'll need a dual-LCD panel anyway (as the sony hxr-310).

But you're right, the additional 3000$ are definitely noticeable - but if they're noticeable enough to justify that price tag is another question.

Re: Apple’s “Extended Dynamic Range” Brings HDR to Non-HDR Displays

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Post by cheschire »

Rapzid wrote: post #87

The industry is in a very strange place right now. HDR monitors are both quite expensive and unimpressive compared to the HDR OLED TVs.. For the 5-6k that this display from Apple costs, I would certainly expect it to be an OLED display at LEAST. But it's not. How is this the best we can get and it's NOT OLED? Dimming zones for 6k? I don't understand what's going on, I just want a nice OLED monitor that will fit on my…

OLED isn't super useful on computer screens where elements stay in a static location for a long time due to burn in.

Also the amount of bright colors used in computer interfaces would cause some significant discomfort.

And I'm not sure how legitimate this claim is, but I've read before that OLED suffers from dead pixels at a higher rate than other screen types, but don't take that too seriously without proof.

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