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Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by marricks »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #65

I feel like the M1 hype is getting out of hand. Apple bought up TSMC’s entire 5nm manufacturing capacity so of course it’s going to pack more transistors and use less power than AMD’s 7nm TSMC process or Intel’s 10nm process (which is effectively similar to 7nm TSMC). The M1 is a great and well-refined design but when compared to AMD’s similarly priced 4750U in multi core benchmarks, the performance per watt is bette…

It very well may be over hyped but with the breakdown of Dennard scaling[1] the gains we've seen in CPUs has been pretty minor generation to generation.

I think that could also be the reason it is getting so hyped, it is a tangible improvement over other CPUs. 50% more battery life, better performance in some case, what's the last CPU generation we saw such gains? Probably pretty far back to when Dennard sclaing was still a thing?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennard_scaling

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by dustinmoris »

alwillis wrote: post #57
shawnz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to judge a book by it's cover, but mind-bogglingly his "preferred browser" for OSX is Edge. https://twitter.com/PatrickMoorhead/status/13296105698261319...

Edge on macOS is a very good browser. Unlike Chrome, it has real privacy features for blocking tracking scripts right out of the box. The Collections feature is also well done.

> Edge on macOS is a very good browser.

.. if you want your manager to spy on you.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by dundarious »

ceejayoz wrote: post #42
arn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are using an ad block or other extensions, that is likely the cause. I can't find specific reference, but try turning those off. edit: https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1329132372034347009

A browser isn't viable to me without ad blocking and 1Password. Firefox has issues currently on M1, as well - uBlock Origin won't load, for example. Thankfully, that particular issue is fixable by disabling javascript.options.wasm and javascript.options.wasm_trustedprincipals in about:config as a temporary solution. I fully expect these to be fixed, but it's clear it's gonna be a few weeks/months before everything ru…

Of course, maybe you are experiencing a different issue that also leaks memory, but Dan confirmed 1Password was not causing his problem, just 1Blocker. https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1329471604649205760?s=2...

The 1Blocker extension can be disabled as a temporary fix, and crucially, the ad blocking functionality does _not_ have to be disabled.

https://twitter.com/1blockerapp/status/1329744152150626304?s...

In the meantime, disabling the 1Blocker Button extension in Safari > Preferences > Extensions and restarting Safari fixes it. It won't affect how our app blocks intrusive content in Safari since 1Blocker Button only provides quick actions to the main app.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by ceejayoz »

dundarious wrote: post #83
ceejayoz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A browser isn't viable to me without ad blocking and 1Password. Firefox has issues currently on M1, as well - uBlock Origin won't load, for example. Thankfully, that particular issue is fixable by disabling javascript.options.wasm and javascript.options.wasm_trustedprincipals in about:config as a temporary solution. I fully expect these to be fixed, but it's clear it's gonna be a few weeks/months before everything ru…

Of course, maybe you are experiencing a different issue that also leaks memory, but Dan confirmed 1Password was not causing his problem, just 1Blocker. https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1329471604649205760?s=2... The 1Blocker extension can be disabled as a temporary fix, and crucially, the ad blocking functionality does _not_ have to be disabled. https://twitter.com/1blockerapp/status/1329744152150626304?s... In t…

I'm not using 1Blocker, but perhaps AdGuard has the same issue for similar reasons.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by dhosek »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #47
chokeartist wrote: post #9

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Lol what are you smoking? iPhone as a whole has trounced Android repeatedly over the last few years. There really is no comparison aside from Android having some [random esoteric] hardware that iPhone doesn't for a particular year. None of this is focused on battery life, performance, and efficiency. It is window dressing on top of an inferior architecture. Also I fundamentally will not buy a piece of hardware that w…

What can you do on iphone that can't be done better on an android phone?

Two that leap to mind immediately: Install the latest OS on a device older than a year old. Get money for your old phone when you upgrade.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

s1k3s wrote: post #10

> M1 Macs embarrass all other PCs — all Intel-based Macs, including automobile-priced Mac Pros, and every single machine running Windows or Linux. Nah, it doesn't. Source: I've got all of them

Frankly I don't care that much about entry level macbook's absolute performance. But the utility of 20 hours 4k video play(3rd party tests even exceeded this number) can't be understated.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by tambourine_man »

ceejayoz wrote: post #49
tambourine_man wrote: post #45

I submitted the same exact link 8 hours earlier. This HN behavior is very frustrating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25285489

Timing of HN submissions seems to matter a lot. And a little luck.

There should at least be a 24h window separating submissions of the same link.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by stemc43 »

ghaff wrote: post #12

I'm not sure I see most of the disagreement here. As Gruber says, Moorhead is mostly complaining about software incompatibilities. But that's part of the total package--especially with Apple which is about selling the total experience. Personally I'll probably switch sooner rather than later especially given that I don't run a lot of native apps on my laptop. But it seems pretty reasonable to critique a new architect…

no docker - no buy.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by postalrat »

pmarreck wrote: post #73
hpaavola wrote: post #46

I don't care about any Apple products, but I really do hope that M1 will force all other manufacturers ship good ARM laptops. Or force Intel and AMD to pull a rabit out of their hat to match the performance/watt of ARM chips. I want long battery life, no fans and a lot of memory. Running Linux. If M1 is the catalyst to make it happen, then so be it.

> Or force Intel and AMD to pull a rabit out of their hat to match the performance/watt of ARM chips I believe I read an article the other day that explained why the M1 was so fast and efficient and basically the design it came up with is impossible to do on Intel, for many reasons including the fact that Intel instructions are variable-length (which means they need to be completely parsed every time to find the end…

Microsoft has a version of windows running on arm in the surface pro. Wouldn't that give them the headstart on apple?

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by simias »

IndySun wrote: post #77
ceejayoz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Timing of HN submissions seems to matter a lot. And a little luck.

Is there a timing infographic? Or luck chart, for that matter?

I think the trick is to post when west-coast America wakes up, more or less.
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