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Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by cortesoft »

endgame wrote: post #68
mortenjorck wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s one issue, which is that of “Sherlocking” a third-party solution with a first-party implementation. Then there’s another, which is having an open enough system to support such innovations in the first place. Something like Growl, or f.lux (mentioned down-thread) could never have come about if macOS had been as restrictive as iOS. I have little doubt that we’ve missed at least a few such innovations over past…

Well, yeah. Important things like tethering would never have made it into iOS if Apple hadn't been dragged there by the jailbreakers.

Oh, it would have made it, they just needed to figure out the best way to charge for it.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by darkwizard42 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #64
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

Hopefully Linux will be the operating system to benefit from increased development. I simply don't understand why developers keep investing their time on platforms that are openly hostile to them. These posts were written decades ago: http://www.paulgraham.com/road.html https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost... > If you want to write desktop software now you do it on Microsoft's terms, calling t…

It’s because no one (mainstream) uses Linux. Developers make these projects and still want lots of users and people to find use in the products.

Developing for Linux leaves you with a smaller range of users than Windows and Mac.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by pram »

armadsen wrote: post #78
pram wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh huh. This is ignoring that notifications were present in webOS, Android, Windows 7, and so on. Or were those able to independently arrive at the exact same design of a toast popup, and Apple uniquely owes the provenance of their toast popup to Growl?

Growl existed before webOS, Android, and Windows 7.

What is your point? Is Growl responsible for all notification implementations post 2003?

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by armadsen »

saagarjha wrote: post #31

> However at WWDC in 2014 everyone on the team saw the writing on the wall. This was my only WWDC. This is the WWDC where Notification Center was announced. Notification Center was an OS X Mountain Lion feature, wasn't it? That came out in 2012…

Yeah, it was definitely in 2012. I was there that year (was not in 2014), and remember briefly speaking with at least one of the Growl developers (might have been OP) about it. As I recall, they were (publicly) optimistic about the future of Growl, but of course it seemed clear to me that its days were numbered.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by [deleted] »

incanus77 wrote: post #21

Super innovative, internet-organized, open source project ahead of its time. I have a special place in my heart for it, too — back when I first started working for myself, and at home, in ‘06-07, I would run Twitteriffic with every incoming tweet posting to Growl. The frequency was low enough that this was not a distraction and every tweet was meaningful. At that time, pretty much all of my followed accounts were als…

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Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by perardi »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #63
perardi wrote: post #2

Pour one out for a fondly remembered enhancement to Mac OS X. In a somewhat similar nostalgic vein, I remember haxies… https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Haxie …and as linked in the blog post, Adium. https://adium.im Seemingly indispensable apps/applets/desk accessories that were either made unworkable by security changes, Sherlocking, or just the changing services we use. (Just look at those Adium services, and wistfully…

I sorely miss Adium. I’ve learned to accept that I just have half a dozen mostly feature compatible chat apps open to communicate with the people who use them... but Adium was a real gem. I had it configured to minimal everything and never thought about what protocol I was using. Just a consolidated list of people and a tiny window with active chats in tabs. I’ve seen several attempts at unifying the current chat lan…

Ah, memories!

I had some teeny, tiny contact list that took up hardly any space on screen. Something like: https://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=1473

Compare to Facebook Messenger for Mac, which is gigantic, but doesn’t actually present more information. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/messenger/id1480068668?mt=12

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by vosper »

cortesoft wrote: post #81
endgame wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yeah. Important things like tethering would never have made it into iOS if Apple hadn't been dragged there by the jailbreakers.

Oh, it would have made it, they just needed to figure out the best way to charge for it.

Was it ever Apple who charged for tethering? I always thought it was in the hands of the networks and their various plans. Today it seems like it's not even a feature anymore, just something you can do with your phone (or, at least for me it is: I'm on one of the cheapest cellphone plans in my country and tethering just works)

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by spullara »

endgame wrote: post #68
mortenjorck wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s one issue, which is that of “Sherlocking” a third-party solution with a first-party implementation. Then there’s another, which is having an open enough system to support such innovations in the first place. Something like Growl, or f.lux (mentioned down-thread) could never have come about if macOS had been as restrictive as iOS. I have little doubt that we’ve missed at least a few such innovations over past…

Well, yeah. Important things like tethering would never have made it into iOS if Apple hadn't been dragged there by the jailbreakers.

This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by geerlingguy »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #82
matheusmoreira wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully Linux will be the operating system to benefit from increased development. I simply don't understand why developers keep investing their time on platforms that are openly hostile to them. These posts were written decades ago: http://www.paulgraham.com/road.html https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost... > If you want to write desktop software now you do it on Microsoft's terms, calling t…

It’s because no one (mainstream) uses Linux. Developers make these projects and still want lots of users and people to find use in the products. Developing for Linux leaves you with a smaller range of users than Windows and Mac.

Smaller group and often less willing to put out cash for it (besides the few who would be willing to pay substantially more to get great applications on Linux).
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