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Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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It is not that simple. The minute China does it - they stand alone. The whole premise of outsourcing manufacturing to China will die. No one will trust them to do it. In my opinion they won’t do it

The setup of China being the world’s workshop is temporary. Chinese leadership is using foreign capital to bootstrap their internal market. They will be self-sufficient in less than a generation.

And, perhaps more importantly, they are using all of the monies to start getting their own foothold in other continents. IOW they are entering their own modern expansionist phase.

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All of Zoom’s security team is based in the US to be fair. I don’t really agree in general that the X-conference should use X-software.

Kinda cool if defense conferences were done using some defense apps that works, so that in case of a Soviet or Romulan invasion or whatever, military generals and SecDefs could just open their defense laptop and resume on defense discussions, though granted the world don’t have runaway Soviet threats anymore.

It's about sovereign interest, and if you rely on foreign assistance to run state, you are a vassal at best. Last time I checked, Russia is still holding onto annexed land in Ukraine, and there is a proxy war in Yemen, the Korean peninsula is prepared for a full blown conflict at any moment, hostilities between India and Pakistan, and on, and on, and on, and on. There are absolutely ambitious geopolitical interests at play willing to use brutal force as a means to obtain their goals at costs most people cannot comprehend. It's probably advantageous to have your own tech and verticals for building it domestically. I mean it's not like securing uranium deposits.

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I remember being in voice chat for a space spreadsheet game [0] and hearing the 'ding' for a new user joining the channel. Everyone knew to stop taking lest a spy discover where our fleet was. I really hope there's a similar reaction in these chats! [0]eve-online.com

Corporation and guild leaders really should put that on their CVs, it's literally management experience!

Eve is a special special game. I led/CEO’d a ~200 player Corp (WH/Null pirates) for a fair few years. We had a security division responsible for protecting our web services and communications, custom web and phone apps because we didn’t trust the publicly available ones, an intelligence division responsible for trying to break into enemy services and get info, a propaganda division for feeding false Intel “accidentally” via reddit/etc comments, PR department for managing recruits, and a strict chain of command with levels of management. The bigger corps went even way further than that. It was lots of fun, probably the most fun I’ve ever had in a video game in 35yrs of gaming, but eventually I needed to actually see sunlight again and have a life.

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Germany caused not one but two world wars and is, despite being beaten almost to death after ww2, once again the dominant power in the EU. Let's face it we usually get what we want even without having a competitive military - if we had there would not be much to stop us. I'm actually grateful that our leaders have been and still are mindful of that fact.

I'll give you last word if you reply to this comment, since this discussion seems like something that generally doesn't belong on this site. But, Germany did not cause two world wars.

Did I just imagine up a tyrannical despot who seized power from the democratic process, called himself Fuhrer, then went on to slowly acquire land from Czechoslovakia, Austria and Yugoslavia, before deciding to invade France, Benelux, Poland and a host of other countries?

Or the time when the hot-tempered Kaiser couldn't keep it in his pants and wanted to test his new toys with the rest of his aristocrat buddies?

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I'll give you last word if you reply to this comment, since this discussion seems like something that generally doesn't belong on this site. But, Germany did not cause two world wars.

Did I just imagine up a tyrannical despot who seized power from the democratic process, called himself Fuhrer, then went on to slowly acquire land from Czechoslovakia, Austria and Yugoslavia, before deciding to invade France, Benelux, Poland and a host of other countries? Or the time when the hot-tempered Kaiser couldn't keep it in his pants and wanted to test his new toys with the rest of his aristocrat buddies?

France and Britain declared war on Germany during WW2, which effectively triggered a world war.

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Did I just imagine up a tyrannical despot who seized power from the democratic process, called himself Fuhrer, then went on to slowly acquire land from Czechoslovakia, Austria and Yugoslavia, before deciding to invade France, Benelux, Poland and a host of other countries? Or the time when the hot-tempered Kaiser couldn't keep it in his pants and wanted to test his new toys with the rest of his aristocrat buddies?

France and Britain declared war on Germany during WW2, which effectively triggered a world war.

It is quite a lot more complex than that. I'd say it is a stretch to argue that Germany was to blame for WW1 (post-WW1 Germany was forced to take the blame but the reality was a lot more complex).

You can then also argue about the context/contribution the harsh treaty of Versailles made to WW2. But to not blame principally Germany/NSDAP/Hitler for WW2 after Germany marched into Poland is pretty absurd.

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Note that there are different levels of "secret" when it comes to this stuff. Given the size of that meeting (20+ people) and the reaction, I'd be surprised if the topic matter was more secret than how much the defense agencies pay their employees - secret, no doubt, but not exactly the nuclear launch codes.

Indeed this was a ministerial level conference, the prep meetings are probably more secure and no one would be stupid enough there to share screenshots.

At least since Snowden EU leaders probably always assume that someone is listening in. NSA and GHQ had breached Belgacom (Belgian former telecoms monopoly) to listen in on the EU.

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Corporation and guild leaders really should put that on their CVs, it's literally management experience!

Eve is a special special game. I led/CEO’d a ~200 player Corp (WH/Null pirates) for a fair few years. We had a security division responsible for protecting our web services and communications, custom web and phone apps because we didn’t trust the publicly available ones, an intelligence division responsible for trying to break into enemy services and get info, a propaganda division for feeding false Intel “accidental…

Sounds like I would probably love getting into eve online, but u can't find enough time to game anymore on regular basis. My Steam account and old ps3 is still full of games I haven't played yet.

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According to a screenshot that the journalist posted on Twitter, it appears like the video conference session is browser-based, and the pin and username are in the browser URL in plaintext . So then if you can see anyone's screen, or any clear photo of it, you can easily join the conference. Seems like very poor security design if that's so https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnRlaFeWMAQzyIS?format=jpg The software URL forma…

Well, the page title in that video says "Consolium Videoconferencing", so it's probably something by this company:

https://consiliuminc.com

Maybe this?

https://consiliuminc.com/product/UniVCX-video-customer-exper...

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Eve is a special special game. I led/CEO’d a ~200 player Corp (WH/Null pirates) for a fair few years. We had a security division responsible for protecting our web services and communications, custom web and phone apps because we didn’t trust the publicly available ones, an intelligence division responsible for trying to break into enemy services and get info, a propaganda division for feeding false Intel “accidental…

Sounds like I would probably love getting into eve online, but u can't find enough time to game anymore on regular basis. My Steam account and old ps3 is still full of games I haven't played yet.

Same boat. Eve is my too disabled/elderly to leave the house much plan. Immerse myself and live the rest of my life as a space captain.
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