Reading the article, it sounds like maybe if the people experiencing symptoms had stayed home from work, most especially the care facility and jail workers, the spread and deaths would have been drastically reduced
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#82Case count != actual risk of death or permanent injury. You have to be in a high risk group. I wish we'd evaluate actual risk rather than perceived.
> You have to be in a high risk group.
You have to be in a high risk group for what? To die? As far as I know, while some health conditions or age raise risk of covid death or morbidity, there is no group that is without risk of death, i.e. anyone might die from Covid19. Is that your understanding as well, or do you know of some demographic group that has experienced 0 deaths?
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#83What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.
I would really like to abstain but my family doesn't take covid seriously and would likely ostracize me. I've tried to explain that I work in a school and I'm the most likely in our group to be carrying, but that doesn't go far with them.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's faker than a 3 dollar bill. Many, many, of the "signatures" have been proven to be people that don't even exist. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/facebook-p...
Are you trying to say the authors don’t exist because some troll entered a fake name on their website? Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations. Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine d…
Are you trying to say the authors don’t exist because some troll entered a fake name on their website?
Huber, Gary. Chief of Respiratory Diseases at Boston City Hospital’s Harvard Medical Unit
Kilpatrick, James. Biostatistics. Medical College of Virginia, Richmond, VA
Wexler, Lawrence M. Epidemiology @ New York Medical College, Valhalla, NY
Wu, Joseph M. Biochemistry, molecular biology @ New York Medical College, Valhalla, NY
Ecobichon, Donald. Toxicology @ McGill University, Quebec, QC
These are all people who wrote in favour of tobacco not causing cancer in individuals for the tobacco lobby. There were many other equally credentialed individuals who also said so. If you put enough money in front of an unscrupulous individual, no matter their background, they'll tell you whatever you want to hear.
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#85top of hn? what happened?
Upvote/downvote sites are very easy to manipulate: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a9335/upvote...
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#86It also demonstrates why the "personal choice" stuff is BS here. I see a lot of folks going "why are you worried if you're following the rules yourself?", and yet... > None of the victims who lost their lives had attended the party.
I think it demonstrates how weak enforcement of the rules are. Maine already had rules against such gatherings. Yet it still happened. Why?
Because some people are selfish and stupid.
It's fascinating to watch, for example, people commenting on Facebook about vehicles driving too fast in winter conditions, endangering other road users. But those same Facebook commenters will say that nobody can order them to wear a mask...
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#87top of hn? what happened?
The pandemic makes ongoing science/technology news, and has substantial impact upon the work culture, sector demand, and societal role of the tech sphere.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have perished from this disease and it didn't have to be this way. There is a major thrust of anti-intellectualism in the US, Brazil, and other countries. As "hackers," we try to understand what the intellectuals believe. Then, we figure out what's happening in the real world, and finally, we break the intellectuals' rules in pragmatic (but not expedient) ways.
The guy who just won the US presidential election claimed that we are entering a "dark winter," and it's a pretty relevant topic to HN in my view. COVID-19 sits at the unlikely confluence of medical science, tethics (shout out to Gavin Belson), statistics, system dynamics, and public policy.
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#88Why do people go to work when they're sick? I don't understand for the life of me, how someone thinks it's ok? If you don't feel well, your company (or money) is not worth your life or the lives of others. Stay home ffs.
Some people aren't paid if they aren't working and can't afford not to work. US employees have no federally guaranteed paid sick days and that results in a culture that prioritizes showing up to work no matter what.
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#89What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.
Abstaining as well. No Thanksgiving this year.
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#90I am getting more and more frustrated with the FDA. The vaccine has been around since February. The severity pandemic can be boiled down to a function of drug testing. If we had a pandemic drug testing protocol we could have had a vaccine months ago. The FDA is just sitting on their hands right now waiting for people in the stage 3 trials to get sick to see if the vaccines are effective. If we would have used challenge trials where people are deliberately infected we would know this answer months sooner and save possibly 100,000's of lives.