Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:32 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #34

mmastrac wrote: post #8

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Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought? Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and t…

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by gamblor956 » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #72

gamblor956 wrote: post #59

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Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, and many states have allowed ballots to arrive after the election for decades, including 3 of the states still uncalled (NV, NC, and Georgia). Moreover, military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day in nearly all states since at least WWII.

> Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, Requiring signatures yet refusing to reject ballots for mismatched signatures isn't much of a requirement: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-court-...

Signature-matching results in the rejection of more authentic ballots than invalid ones.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/signature-...

The point of requiring signatures was never about preventing fraud, since it was never an issue historically. The requirements were issued in the 20th century to reject black votes, as at the time the requirements were passed, many black voters couldn't write.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by esoterica » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

s9w wrote: post #63

bdcravens wrote: post #47

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Correct, he doesn't have to leave until January 20, 2021.

That hasn't yet been decided, but that's not even the point. edit: so i've now been rate limited for posting three things. What the posters beyond assume is not what I meant. I'll not be able to answer for about two days or so. nice

Did you also go around insisting that the election hadn't been decided yet after the media called it for Trump on election night 2016, or are you only doing it this time around because he lost?

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by Hamuko » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

randyrand wrote: post #26

If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT

It was "close" because the counting was so slow. If Pennsylvania was allowed to count early votes beforehand, it would've been obvious that Trump was not going to have a chance there.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by Hamuko » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:36 PM UTC

gentleman11 wrote: post #46

This is getting flagged every 2 minutes. What is going on?

>Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by threatofrain » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:36 PM UTC

randyrand wrote: post #26

If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT

It’s why voters are making the very rare move to unseat a modern president. Joe Biden is not an exciting president, so why are people so energized during a pandemic?

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by nobody9999 » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:36 PM UTC

alangibson wrote: post #19

> Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump Not a true statement I'm afraid. Look at the number of votes he got. Trumpism isn't going away any time soon.

>> Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

>Not a true statement I'm afraid. Look at the number of votes he got. Trumpism isn't going away any time soon.

Tumult(n.)[0]:

"1. violent and noisy commotion or disturbance of a crowd or mob; uproar: The tumult reached its height during the premier's speech.

2. a general outbreak, riot, uprising, or other disorder: The tumult moved toward the embassy.

3. highly distressing agitation of mind or feeling; turbulent mental or emotional disturbance: His placid facade failed to conceal the tumult of his mind."

I imagine that many on every side would agree with that statement.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by DoreenMichele » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

gentleman11 wrote: post #46

This is getting flagged every 2 minutes. What is going on?

It's sort of premature to call this "decided." Georgia is likely to do a recount and three states seem to still be outstanding (when I checked moments ago).

That may be why.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by koolba » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #82

koolba wrote: post #72

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> Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, Requiring signatures yet refusing to reject ballots for mismatched signatures isn't much of a requirement: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-court-...

Signature-matching results in the rejection of more authentic ballots than invalid ones. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/signature-... The point of requiring signatures was never about preventing fraud, since it was never an issue historically. The requirements were issued in the 20th century to reject black votes, as at the time the requirements were passed, many black voters couldn't write.

I’m not arguing that signature verification is particularly consistent.

I’m saying it being non-existent disqualifies claims that signatures on ballot envelopes prevent fraud.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 » Sat, Nov 07, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #79

googthrowaway42 wrote: post #74

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Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. In Washington state where I used to live has had universal mail in ballots for many years and they had ballot drop boxes that were swept on election day. Th…

Election law doesn’t agree with your assertion.

I was making a qualitative judgement. However, to your point election law differs form state to state so what you've said is nonsensical.

In PA this is under review by the state and US supreme court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31...

Welcome to a crash course in civics.