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Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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I keep wondering why Amazon deals with guys like this instead of going to Calvin Klein’s wholesaler. He wouldn’t have better prices for legit merchandise, right?

Amazon lets small businesses sell stuff on their web site and it's a big part of their business, why wouldn't they let middle men sell stuff on there? It also has served as portion of their business to point at and say "see we're fair and not a malicious monopoly, we let others use our platform to sell"

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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The merchants must navigate a largely automated, guilty-until-proven-innocent process in which Amazon serves as judge and jury. Their emails and calls can go unanswered, or Amazon's replies are incomprehensible, making sellers suspect they're at the mercy of algorithms with little human oversight. This is something our modern society was and is not ready for. Bureaucracy and the bureaucrats that administered it is a…

Because the end of the path here for Amazon is destruction of the inventory in question, I guess we'll never really know what's real or not. There's nothing to be inspected...which seems rather problematic, right? In criminal cases people don't run around destroying evidence. That's viewed rather negatively by judges. So here we have Amazon destroying the inventory in question. No way to have even a partial sample of…

In any case it could be very hard to prove that the items are fake by inspection, it’s mostly a fight about distribution and the supply channel.

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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The merchants must navigate a largely automated, guilty-until-proven-innocent process in which Amazon serves as judge and jury. Their emails and calls can go unanswered, or Amazon's replies are incomprehensible, making sellers suspect they're at the mercy of algorithms with little human oversight. This is something our modern society was and is not ready for. Bureaucracy and the bureaucrats that administered it is a…

A friend of mine worked for a company whose operators answered late night tv infomercials. They had humans answering the phone, but everything about it was scripted and highly optimized. Purchasing the thing was very very easy, but after that there was an upsell gauntlet to get through before hanging up. "This is rediculous, I don't want to hear about this" "But sir, people call back after they've missed these offers…

Does Jeff Bezos know, or is he shielded from bad customer experience like Mao, who saw a country full of rice fields along the rail tracks when he travelled the country? [1]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/02/world/the-tyrant-mao-as-t...

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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Seems odd the reporter doesn’t verify the authenticity/quality of the submitted invoices. Surely he could produce copies for the reporter?

Not wanting to do so is probably the reason the article is not really about whether the products were genuine or not, but rather about Amazon's behaviour.

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not the automation, the problem is that a single authority has a complete monopoly on certain aspects of the e-commerce market. Full credit to Bezos and Amazon for their incredible execution in achieving this. However, monopolies are an example of market failure, and in this case, also an example of an authority able to act as judge + jury where the affected parties have no realistic recourse, while be…

How is Amazon a monopoly when customers can easily purchase an item from eBay, Walmart, Target, Aliexpress, and many others. Amazon is often the most expensive option for me.

You don’t need to be a monopoly to violate antitrust law.

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

#86

“ The spokeswoman said Amazon repeatedly asked Govani to provide evidence that the products sold were authentic but that the invoices he sent were either illegible or didn't match the records of the brand owners.”

But did they match the record of the wholesaler?

A lot of higher-end brands receive records back from the wholesalers too, so they can a) have a paper trail to determine if products are counterfeit or not, and b) blur the distinction between "counterfeit" and "not sold through official channels" which helps prevent undercutting of the retail price.

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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The merchants must navigate a largely automated, guilty-until-proven-innocent process in which Amazon serves as judge and jury. Their emails and calls can go unanswered, or Amazon's replies are incomprehensible, making sellers suspect they're at the mercy of algorithms with little human oversight. This is something our modern society was and is not ready for. Bureaucracy and the bureaucrats that administered it is a…

I've had a similar experience with Uber customer support. Their navigation thinks there's access to my house from a road that isn't actually connected, so delivery drivers consistently go the wrong way. But emailing customer support just got me seemingly automated responses saying "we're sorry the location pin was not in the right place" which isn't even the problem that I'm having.

That's just how customer support is these days it seems. Getting a hold of an actual human capable of doing the most mundane request other than linking to 'help' articles you've already read 10 times is impossible. What happened to emailing support and getting a reply prepared to move heaven and earth to satisfy you as a customer?

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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I generally use Walmart and Target for shopping online, but recently I decided to go with Amazon for something (pet supplies) that Walmart, Target, and Chewy didn't carry.

I created my account, and before I could put the order through, the account was locked for "suspicious activity," which resulted in a black hole of me repeatedly sending them the information they asked for (a recent credit card statement) and them responding with the same form letter email about being unable to verify ownership of the card. I even called, spoke to a human who said they would do something, but no, same form letter response.

Why do people use Amazon over walmart.com or target.com?

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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The merchants must navigate a largely automated, guilty-until-proven-innocent process in which Amazon serves as judge and jury. Their emails and calls can go unanswered, or Amazon's replies are incomprehensible, making sellers suspect they're at the mercy of algorithms with little human oversight. This is something our modern society was and is not ready for. Bureaucracy and the bureaucrats that administered it is a…

The movie “Brazil” comes to mind.

For an even earlier cautionary tale about computerized bureaucracies, check out "Computers Don't Argue" (1965) by Gordon Dickson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers_Don%27t_Argue

Re: Amazon destroys $1.5m of sellers inventory – now homeless

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post #88

I generally use Walmart and Target for shopping online, but recently I decided to go with Amazon for something (pet supplies) that Walmart, Target, and Chewy didn't carry. I created my account, and before I could put the order through, the account was locked for "suspicious activity," which resulted in a black hole of me repeatedly sending them the information they asked for (a recent credit card statement) and them…

Because your experience is unusual. It's more inline with new accounts on twitter, not amazon, in my limited experience.
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