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Wim Hof breathing technique can modulate immune response to pathogens (2014)

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Wim Hof is a Western bastardization of a very small subset of Pranayama, it's up there with people who think Yoga is all about stretching.

Learning from the original source is always better and will yield way more benefits including 'psychic' abilities if you're that way inclined http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1903sciencebreath....

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Very interesting. How quickly can you trigger it? I've experienced something similar but it takes long time to arrive, at least 5-10 minutes, I wonder if with practice you found exactly the state that triggers it and you can do it instantly. Also, have you felt it as in waves going up and down? or just located in same place ? And lastly, does it have any health utility?

I've been able to do this since I was young. For me, I can trigger it instantly. It's mostly very relaxing. Triggers a yawning response if I do it repeatedly. I think I actually learned it by forcing myself to yawn back then. Feels mind clearing too.

I experience the same, just did it in fact! My ears popped (without yawning) and I didn't realize they needed to equalize but damn if I don't feel more alert now that that's done.

Re: Wim Hof breathing technique can modulate immune response to pathogens (2014)

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post #81

Wim Hof is a Western bastardization of a very small subset of Pranayama, it's up there with people who think Yoga is all about stretching. Learning from the original source is always better and will yield way more benefits including 'psychic' abilities if you're that way inclined http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1903sciencebreath....

From the Viniyoga perspective, this book is incorrect in terms of the complete breath.

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The paper mentions voluntary activation of the sympathetic nervous system and anecdotally from my own meditation and yoga practice I've found that I have some control over a very specific SNS response. I'm able to control piloerection ("goose bump" activation) any time I want, something I wasn't ever able to do before and found to be quite strange when I noticed myself gaining control over it. Not exactly an awesome…

I didn’t realize this is something other people can’t do till reading your comment and the responses. I’ve been able to give myself goosebumps and chills on demand since I was a child. I wonder what other SNS responses can be controlled.

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The paper mentions voluntary activation of the sympathetic nervous system and anecdotally from my own meditation and yoga practice I've found that I have some control over a very specific SNS response. I'm able to control piloerection ("goose bump" activation) any time I want, something I wasn't ever able to do before and found to be quite strange when I noticed myself gaining control over it. Not exactly an awesome…

I also gained this ability after meditating for an hour every day for ~4 months. A BUNCH of weird things started happening actually and I kind of backed off of it because of them. It proved to be a lot more than I really signed up for. (Fascinating things happened though...) ...But I have retained the piloerection ability, which I can do on command within 2-5 seconds or so. There's also some weird sensations in my si…

What kind of weird and fascinating things happened?

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Wim hof have achieved great things practising the ancient practice of pranayama which is actually a part of yoga. Yet he presents it as if he "discovered" it. This is pure intellectual dishonesty. Yoga's actual name is ashtanga yoga which means it has eight limbs[1]. Contrary to popular belief Yoga is not about just twisting your body into weird poses. That aspect is called ASANA and what Wim Hof claims as his discov…

Interesting! What lineage have you studied?

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> It's becoming apparent that our consciousness can extend further than we previously believed If by "we" you mean the mainstream western world, then you are correct. However, the notion that consciousness extends, or can extend, further than our minds and bodies, has been known and practiced upon for thousands of years. On a tangent, I've personally thought about the "infinite cycle of why" a lot and have come to th…

To me, this is just extending consciousness to more of the body; not beyond it. I think that's what the parent probably meant, as well. Wim Hof breathing demonstrates our autonomic nervous system can be made a little less autonomic - any claims beyond that seem unrelated (and unscientific).

> any claims beyond that seem unrelated (and unscientific).

Maybe, but science hasn't even been able to properly define consciousness. So following your logic, how can there be anything strictly scientific relating to consciousness?

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Thank you for finding that. It seems like intermittent cold exposure may be the primary key then. I wonder if breathing exercises help modulate the bodies response to the cold. More oxygen available may mean better brown fat thermogenesis for example.

More oxygen is not the underlying science here. Oxygen saturation is almost always at, or close to, 100%. See the Bohr Effect [0][1]. TL;DR Increased CO2 aids in Oxygen delivery efficiency. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_effect [1] https://respiratorycram.com/bohr-effect/

Thanks for posting this. From the wiki page:

> an increase in CO2 results in a decrease in blood pH,[2] resulting in hemoglobin proteins releasing their load of oxygen. Conversely, a decrease in carbon dioxide provokes an increase in pH, which results in hemoglobin picking up more oxygen.

So lowering carbon dioxide concentration (through an activity like hyperventilation) will cause hemoglobin to pick up more oxygen molecules. And increasing carbon dioxide levels will release those molecules. Fascinating.

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> It's completely possible he rediscovered it independently, and free from the religious trappings. Yes it is possible but highly unlikely. He himself claims practising yoga for years. How do you justify him never coming across eight parts of Yoga? Moreover on his website he admits similarities with Buddhist meditation but reluctantly[1] and justifies by claiming of "stripping the religious aspects" just like you. so…

You say there are no commandments, but these two concepts pass the duck test for commandments. > YAMA – Moral disciplines > NIYAMA – Positive duties You also say there's no creed, and then talk about "bliss in after life". That's a creed. I get into this with Catholics sometimes where they think having special vocabulary and a big bag of trivia makes one thing not another. They tell you they don't worship Mary, but i…

You are misreading my comment. My comment is with respect to Abrahmic creed offering "bliss in after life". Indian Dharmic traditions doesn't claim to give you "bliss in after life". They help you lead a blissful life in this world and leave the world fully satisfied.

Yoga teaches this blissful existence so some parts of these teaching deal with physical aspects like asanas(exercises) and pranayana(breathing). However, central ideas of Yoga is called निष्काम कर्म or unattached action which simply put means hell or high water, you should stick to your duties and perform them without caring for the results. No wonder many scholars like Beethoven, Eliot, Emerson, Oppenheimer to name a few got inspired by its philosophy.[1][2]

[1] https://www.yogajournal.com/yoga-101/first-book-yoga

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/music/2005/nov/18/classicalmusic...

Re: Wim Hof breathing technique can modulate immune response to pathogens (2014)

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The paper mentions voluntary activation of the sympathetic nervous system and anecdotally from my own meditation and yoga practice I've found that I have some control over a very specific SNS response. I'm able to control piloerection ("goose bump" activation) any time I want, something I wasn't ever able to do before and found to be quite strange when I noticed myself gaining control over it. Not exactly an awesome…

Interesting. Have you ever experienced what is sometimes called pee shivers [1]? Since childhood I've had this sensation after urination. With time I developed an ability to trigger it. It feels like a wave of warmth spreading upwards from my spine and it also leads to the hair on my arms standing up. Does this resemble your experience with piloerection?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-micturition_convulsion_sy...

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