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Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by smeyer »

nexuist wrote: post #68
cptskippy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Have you tried to address this issue? This seems like a huge safety concern and you're actively choosing to put others in harms way by continuing to drive.

I agree. If this is something like e.g. narcolepsy, you should see a doctor. There are a few low-risk prescriptions worth looking into. When I used to pull 18 hour days, I would also notice myself getting tired behind the wheel, but never fully falling asleep. My low-tech solution to this was to set an alarm for 10 minutes after I started driving and setting the alarm volume to max. Then, the alarm would go off in th…

It's hard to imagine that you were alert enough to safely drive even with the alarm. I'd urge anyone in a similar situation to stay off the roads; your ability to work 18 hour days is less important than the safety of everyone on the road.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by R0b0t1 »

yardie wrote: post #74
fudged71 wrote: post #46

Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…

If a driver was inattentive and had a crash wouldn't they be at fault regardless of ADHD or Tourets?

The OP is suggesting neuroatypical people might be flagged as being inattentive despite being attentive due to being underrepresented in the training set.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by kelvin0 »

GordonS wrote: post #50
pupdogg wrote: post #35

Comments on the site itself are pure gold as some are pointing out the various (mostly humorous) events that are not being actively tracked with their driver-facing camera. I will try to compile this list below: - DRIVER_ON_PASSENGER_SIDE - DRIVER_MISSING - DRIVER_PICKING_BOOGERS - DRIVER_SEAT_FULLY_RECLINED - DRIVER_SNORING - DRIVER_SHAVING - DRIVER_VAPING - DRIVER_LIVESTREAMING - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP - DRIVER_AP…

> - DRIVER_SHAVING > - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP > - DRIVER_APPLYING_LIPSTICK I've actually seen drivers doing all 3 of these. The shaving (with an electric razor, obviously) I only saw once, but I frequently see women applying makeup and lipstick.

If someone comes up with a autonomous mobile hair salon/manicure/pedicure/waxing/make up vehicle, there is certainly a huge opportunity.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by cozzyd »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

In this case, the Tesla should pull over and then call the highway patrol to give you a ticket.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by nexuist »

smeyer wrote: post #81
nexuist wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. If this is something like e.g. narcolepsy, you should see a doctor. There are a few low-risk prescriptions worth looking into. When I used to pull 18 hour days, I would also notice myself getting tired behind the wheel, but never fully falling asleep. My low-tech solution to this was to set an alarm for 10 minutes after I started driving and setting the alarm volume to max. Then, the alarm would go off in th…

It's hard to imagine that you were alert enough to safely drive even with the alarm. I'd urge anyone in a similar situation to stay off the roads; your ability to work 18 hour days is less important than the safety of everyone on the road.

Yeah, what helped me is that on those nights I elected to avoid the highway and only take city roads, so lots of traffic, red lights, stop lights, etc. that allowed me to drive slowly. The downside is that sitting at stop lights made me sleepier, hence the alarms.

Avoiding highways was what saved me I think; a mistake at 20mph is far less expensive than a mistake at 80mph. But certainly you're right; the obvious answer is to avoid driving or as another commenter said, carpool!

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Post by snapetom »

GordonS wrote: post #50
pupdogg wrote: post #35

Comments on the site itself are pure gold as some are pointing out the various (mostly humorous) events that are not being actively tracked with their driver-facing camera. I will try to compile this list below: - DRIVER_ON_PASSENGER_SIDE - DRIVER_MISSING - DRIVER_PICKING_BOOGERS - DRIVER_SEAT_FULLY_RECLINED - DRIVER_SNORING - DRIVER_SHAVING - DRIVER_VAPING - DRIVER_LIVESTREAMING - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP - DRIVER_AP…

> - DRIVER_SHAVING > - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP > - DRIVER_APPLYING_LIPSTICK I've actually seen drivers doing all 3 of these. The shaving (with an electric razor, obviously) I only saw once, but I frequently see women applying makeup and lipstick.

A couple of friends of mine prototyped a site dedicated to distracted drivers on I-5 in Seattle ala the Highway 17 Hall of Shame. It was just too easy. My favorite, though, and I still have the pic, was a guy, who I presume to be a solider, driving a military truck with a big ol' binder open on his lap.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by TacticalCoder »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

It's not a solution (you really shouldn't drive when you're sleepy) but a great many modern cars will warn you if you slowly quit your lane without having used your blinkers first, which is typically what happens when someone get sleepy while driving (slowly drifting out of your lane on the highway). My wife's little Toyota CH-R does just that: it tries to correct the car's trajectory, does give feedback both through vibration (in the steering wheel) and through an audio signal.

I think it's more realistic to settle for that kind of features than to wait for a real 100% complete autopilot.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by dimgl »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

I was involved in a major car accident that totaled my new vehicle due to falling asleep at the wheel on a highway. Obviously it scared me enough that I'll never fall asleep in a car again, but it was due to sleep deprivation from being up many hours irresponsibly the night before.

If you're falling asleep often at the wheel I would recommend you tell your primary. He'll likely refer you to a sleep doctor. I didn't have major symptoms, but after a recommendation from my primary I discovered I have a bad case of sleep apnea.

If you're falling asleep at the wheel often (and btw, you're doing the right thing by pulling over and napping) you should go to a sleep doctor. You might not be getting a proper amount of sleep, for whatever reason, and they might be able to help.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by SkyBelow »

notyourwork wrote: post #78
yardie wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a driver was inattentive and had a crash wouldn't they be at fault regardless of ADHD or Tourets?

Falsely flagged is the keyword your statement ignores.

I think the question was asked with the implied addition 'What Tesla says won't matter in court.'

I don't agree with that though, for two reasons.

First, it will be harder for them to fight, meaning it will still be a source of bias even if the court isn't biased at all. Even if they can show it was a false flag, that is time and money others wouldn't have to spend. Potentially time and money of someone who was in a life altering crash.

Second, it would not be surprised that the court ends up being biased towards the manufacture and would give undue weight to them because they have the fancy algorithms and all the well payed lawyers.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by cwhiz »

pupdogg wrote: post #35

Comments on the site itself are pure gold as some are pointing out the various (mostly humorous) events that are not being actively tracked with their driver-facing camera. I will try to compile this list below: - DRIVER_ON_PASSENGER_SIDE - DRIVER_MISSING - DRIVER_PICKING_BOOGERS - DRIVER_SEAT_FULLY_RECLINED - DRIVER_SNORING - DRIVER_SHAVING - DRIVER_VAPING - DRIVER_LIVESTREAMING - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP - DRIVER_AP…

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