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One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#81

Any sufficient large number of people will behave idiotically (from lat. idiota, ignorant)

The Latin idiota is borrowed from Greek ἰδιώτης idiōtēs which is from ἴδιος idios meaning "private" or "peculiar".

Idiot has historically meant "retarded" so if you wanted to say "ignorantly" you could have just said that, or "idiotically" is fine but don't pretend it has such wholesome roots.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#82

[edit: Possibly I'm being too hasty in recommending swearing off Open Source contributions. Go forth and contribute, I suppose :) Leaving my original comment below for completeness.] For other South Asian/Indian people like me, a pessimistic but practical counterpoint to this -- if you happen to be Indian and have a username that marks you as such, just lie low for a bit and don't contribute anything; especially duri…

The heck are you talking about? I’ve worked on a good number of open source projects big and small, and spent significant time working with at least one Indian in the process. While a certain subset of people like to force identity politics down everyone else’s throat (mostly by claiming nonexistent discrimination), the vast majority of people don’t give a rat’s ass about whether you’re Indian, or black, or female, or gay, or whatever, and only judge your contributions by what you’re actually contributing. You’re not welcome if you spam, that’s for sure, but even then you’re just a spammer, not an Indian spammer.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#83

[edit: Possibly I'm being too hasty in recommending swearing off Open Source contributions. Go forth and contribute, I suppose :) Leaving my original comment below for completeness.] For other South Asian/Indian people like me, a pessimistic but practical counterpoint to this -- if you happen to be Indian and have a username that marks you as such, just lie low for a bit and don't contribute anything; especially duri…

No reason to lie low, just continue making good, earnest PRs which look nothing like this Hacktoberfest spam. It's not the username in these examples that's the problem.

> It's not the username in these examples that's the problem.

It totally is. Make a profile with a Western-sounding, preferably female name, and submit a similar typo-fix PR. I can guarantee you that it will be accepted, or at the very least, not featured on a Twitter account called "Shitoberfest".

Minor typo fixes and such have been an established way to make a first bite-sized contribution to OSS projects. What changed this year that people are suddenly yelling at the top of their voices about the 30 (yes, thirty!) emails that they got this week?

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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I agree that the spam is problematic, but I feel the need to call out his "data collection". As evidence that CodeWithHarry is the cause, he says > A search for "Amazing Project" is now showing 21,177 issues. and > A search for "improve docs" shows 319,251 issues. ??? Improve docs has been a common beginner level PR since the beginning of time. Do you really think that 319k spam issues have been filed in the last day…

A lot of those accounts also seem to be created just a few hours before October 1st. Can GitHub time gate new accounts before that can make public PRs?

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#85
On the topic of pull request (PR) spam originating due to Hacktoberfest, here is some useful information from Hacktoberfest FAQ [1]:

"As a maintainer, how should I handle spam pull requests?

We dislike seeing spam pull requests just as much as you, so please give them an invalid or spam label and close them. Pull requests that contain a label with the word invalid or spam won't be counted toward Hacktoberfest."

It is really quite easy to follow. The 'invalid' label is available by default already, so flagging spam is as simple as selecting that label and closing the PR. See also Hacktober's recent update on reducing spam [2].

[1]: https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/faq/

[2]: https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/hacktoberfest-update

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#86

Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

I literally came here to say this. The first thought I had by looking at the screenshot of the PR(without watching the video) and reading the highlighted comment was that "This guy must be an Indian". I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but after watching the video, I was appalled by what I was hearing. And the worst part is, that he says you will learn how to make a PR. Sorry, but no, you will not learn how to make a genuine PR by watching the video. Another thought that I had was, how many kids are getting into software development because of the "swag" and how many of them are genuinely interested in understanding the intricacies involved in building good software.

Disclaimer: I am an Indian

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#87
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The shitoberfest Twitter account is hilarious. https://mobile.twitter.com/shitoberfest

You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk about the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of it's existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever did a…

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#88

Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

> When everyone involved is a beginner, you get unintended outcomes.

This is on DigitalOcean for coming up with a half-baked scheme, not those folks themselves.

Edit: it’s amusing to see Indians taking swipes on fellow Indians. It’s a systemic problem, and the fact that you’ve somehow “risen above it” is not a reason to virtue signal.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the tradeoff of marketing freebies versus being viewed negatively as a group is and a society is not worth it. The reputation comes from mediocre youtube tutorials, sweatshops like TCS and infosys, bullshit sites like geeksforgeeks, and incidents like this. I am an Indian, and I think I have no right to complain about that reputation.

> I am an Indian, and I think I have no right to complain about that reputation. I think that we are in agreement regarding that? I have no right to complain about it either. I can offer advice to bypass Open Source contributions altogether, which would have the side effect of stopping incidents like this. And it's not like projects are starved for README contributions either, coding bootcamps or someone else will pi…

Then, should we stop writing good code because some shitheads set a bad example?

Let me be clear, when you write open source code there are incentives like creating / improving tool for our own use, experimenting, or having a legitimate contribution, even if it is for sake of resume. The software we want to write as OSS is often not the software we can write as proprietary, sell and make money.

Should we give up all the advantages of open source for our side projects? Aren't other people contributing to open source and that's making world better? Should we do a disservice to ourselves and open source community because some people among us have created a bad reputation?

It's not like anyone says "He is Indian, his contribution is probably worthless" about Sanjay Ghemawat or Vikram Adve, right?

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No reason to lie low, just continue making good, earnest PRs which look nothing like this Hacktoberfest spam. It's not the username in these examples that's the problem.

> It's not the username in these examples that's the problem. It totally is. Make a profile with a Western-sounding, preferably female name, and submit a similar typo-fix PR. I can guarantee you that it will be accepted, or at the very least, not featured on a Twitter account called "Shitoberfest". Minor typo fixes and such have been an established way to make a first bite-sized contribution to OSS projects. What cha…

Have you not seen the PR spam examples people are reacting to in TFA? You can't pick an {avatar, username, nationality, gender} combo that's going to get this diff accepted into React:

    - # React
    + # React an amazing project
These aren't minor "typo fixes".
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