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Escaping the Dark Forest

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Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

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post #40

Nice work, but honestly I'm not sure why they bother. The article states that the purpose of these smart contracts is: "Stake your tokens with us and you could be the next cryptocurrency millionaire" That's an obvious scam. Anyone who gave real money to such a cause has already lost it. So why is the author giving away his time to help the scammers?

"Stake your tokens with us and you could be the next cryptocurrency millionaire"

Forgive me - I thought that was tongue in cheek ? I thought the op was humorously paraphrasing some current, popular trend in ethereum contracts ?

No ? That's the actual function of these contracts ?

Can someone point me to one of these in the wild where I can see the actual pitch / advertisement ?

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

#82

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Me think you are in a bit too deep and may be underestimating how things can go wrong. Another possibility is that you have a high risk tolerance as well as an uncommon knack for this sort of thing that most people don’t have.

I have low risk tolerance, but these contracts are usually very simple. I described the basic process of analysis on reddit some time ago (second half): https://reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/ihpj6f/yield_farming... In total, I did this with about 40 different farms. There was a time when there were several new ones every day. For a while it was pretty much a 24/7 job as maximizing apy required constantly jumping to…

"In total, I did this with about 40 different farms. There was a time when there were several new ones every day. For a while it was pretty much a 24/7 job as maximizing apy required constantly jumping to some new hype."

There is a line from a movie ...

"Short everything that guy has touched"

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

#83

I still don't understand what's happening at the core of this and the other dark forest post from a few weeks ago. How exactly are these bots front-running/stealing the ethereums? My understanding: -these bots scan the smart contracts that are waiting to be executed by the miners -the bots find vulnerabilities (another grey area in my mind) in the contract -the bots adjust the destination address of where the contrac…

Imagine that everyone agreed that just one slow computer would handle banking, contracts, and the stock markets for the entire world. This gets rid of any pesky concurrency issues. To move money from person to person, or to execute contracts or programs, you write up a sticky note with what you want to have done, sign it, and attach some money to it. Once every couple minutes, the computer administrators come out, co…

Great summary of one of the major problems with trading (and related financial activities) on public blockchains. The root of this particular issue is that transactions are not processed sequentially but ordered by how much someone is willing to pay.

Having spent much of my professional life designing and building trading systems, and despite the problems with current blockchains, I’m convinced there’s something here and blockchain technology can massively improve finance in a number of areas (cost, pace of innovation and openness/fairness of access being the big ones). What we’re looking at now on Ethereum and other platforms is a set of early experiments, and some weird (and often unsavoury) artefacts of the fact that technical research and experiments are intertwined with, and creating, financial assets and economic systems.

At my company, we’re working on the hard problems required to do this properly, and one particular area of research that we’ve contributed is a “fairness” protocol that can be added to the consensus layer of decentralised systems to provide a better alternative to ordering by fee for financial trading and that would prevent this sort of issue. We’ve published a paper describing this research at [1] if you’re interested, and a more accessible talk by the author, Klaus Kursawe, on the topic can be found at [2].

Disclaimer: my company is building a decentralised trading protocol for serious, professional use cases, and the linked research is part of our effort to achieve this mission.

[1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/885

[2] https://www.crowdcast.io/e/defi-discussions/85

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have low risk tolerance, but these contracts are usually very simple. I described the basic process of analysis on reddit some time ago (second half): https://reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/ihpj6f/yield_farming... In total, I did this with about 40 different farms. There was a time when there were several new ones every day. For a while it was pretty much a 24/7 job as maximizing apy required constantly jumping to…

"In total, I did this with about 40 different farms. There was a time when there were several new ones every day. For a while it was pretty much a 24/7 job as maximizing apy required constantly jumping to some new hype." There is a line from a movie ... "Short everything that guy has touched"

My friend made over $500k from the Uniswap airdrop, he woke up on Thursday and realized he had another half million dollars. He sold it all immediately for stablecoins, and actually missed out on another $750k if he had waited a few hours and sold at the UNI peak.

So yes, it is crazy and complex and difficult, but the rewards are vast for those that dare enter the world.

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

#85
post #55

I guess the take away here is that if you have the right connections then you can bypass the system.

Right? Forget bugs in the contract system, if you have pools writing whatever history they want in private that seems to defeat the entire point.

The transactions still have to be valid (accepted by majority) to get consensus.

It's just that some subset of valid transactions are exploiting vulnerabilities in poorly written contracts. In this case, you want to make dead sure that your "good" exploit runs first.

This is not usual.

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

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As an investor who is not into crypto, I don't understand this comment, let alone use it to correctly price the risk of crypto.

agreed; this reads like someone explaining their casino good luck charm strategy.

Defi yield farming is too dangerous for people who are not deep into the space. It's like listening to hedge fund traders talk shop and hear the type of trades they do to make alpha.

If you want to dabble in crypto, make a Coinbase account and go 50/50 BTC and ETH, and don't sell until you retire.

If you want to play with the fast money Defi, then you need to do a lot of self-study and learning.

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

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post #81
post #40

Nice work, but honestly I'm not sure why they bother. The article states that the purpose of these smart contracts is: "Stake your tokens with us and you could be the next cryptocurrency millionaire" That's an obvious scam. Anyone who gave real money to such a cause has already lost it. So why is the author giving away his time to help the scammers?

"Stake your tokens with us and you could be the next cryptocurrency millionaire" Forgive me - I thought that was tongue in cheek ? I thought the op was humorously paraphrasing some current, popular trend in ethereum contracts ? No ? That's the actual function of these contracts ? Can someone point me to one of these in the wild where I can see the actual pitch / advertisement ?

> Can someone point me to one of these in the wild where I can see the actual pitch / advertisement ?

https://uniswap.org/blog/uni/

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

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post #8

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The word you want here is "ethereum" not "crypto". Crypto is cryptography, and even if you want to redefine it as 'cryptocurrency' the sheer reckless yolo incompetence and scammyness of ethereum is not especially representative.

What IS a "representative" cryptocurrency, then, if the #2 by market cap is not representative? Would it be Bitcoin, used for such time-honored business as drug purchases and hiring contract killers? Would it be Tether, the fiat currency for people who think that central banks are excessively transparent? The one extra element that Ethereum brings to the table is computationally much more powerful contracts, which ma…

> Would it be Bitcoin, used for such time-honored business as drug purchases and hiring contract killers?

Well, at least it's used for business! Do people use eth for meatspace transactions, at all?

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

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post #84
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In total, I did this with about 40 different farms. There was a time when there were several new ones every day. For a while it was pretty much a 24/7 job as maximizing apy required constantly jumping to some new hype." There is a line from a movie ... "Short everything that guy has touched"

My friend made over $500k from the Uniswap airdrop, he woke up on Thursday and realized he had another half million dollars. He sold it all immediately for stablecoins, and actually missed out on another $750k if he had waited a few hours and sold at the UNI peak. So yes, it is crazy and complex and difficult, but the rewards are vast for those that dare enter the world.

For every lucky person making $500k there are 100 people loosing $5k.

Re: Escaping the Dark Forest

#90
post #87
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Stake your tokens with us and you could be the next cryptocurrency millionaire" Forgive me - I thought that was tongue in cheek ? I thought the op was humorously paraphrasing some current, popular trend in ethereum contracts ? No ? That's the actual function of these contracts ? Can someone point me to one of these in the wild where I can see the actual pitch / advertisement ?

> Can someone point me to one of these in the wild where I can see the actual pitch / advertisement ? https://uniswap.org/blog/uni/

And where do you see the "make you rich part"?
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