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Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Re: Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Post by comex »

smokelegend wrote: post #16
comex wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if you’re worried about it using (from the article) 80kbps of your bandwidth. Otherwise no.

Think you might be mistakenly mixed up device to cloud speed vs device to device speed. I think it states 500mb cap for device to device comms. That's a decent pipe for comms.

To quote the whitepaper [1] itself:

The maximum bandwidth of a Sidewalk Bridge to the Sidewalk server is 80Kbps, which is about 1/40th of the bandwidth used to stream a typical high definition video. Today, total monthly data used by Sidewalk enabled- devices, per customer, is capped at 500MB, which is equivalent to streaming about 10 minutes of high definition video.

My reading is that there are two caps that both apply to the same, device-to-cloud data usage:

- 80 kbps instantaneously per bridge device (e.g. Echo)

- 500 MB per month "per customer" (not sure if this is different from per bridge)

This seems reasonably consistent. At 80kbps, 500 MB would take about 14 hours to transfer, which is much less than a month, but I think the expectation is that bridges rarely max out the 80kbps.

[1] https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/sidewalk/privacy_secu...

Re: Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Post by dannyw »

Animats wrote: post #33

Not enough bandwidth for video. So their various camera devices can't do much with it. Not even their new home security drone.[1] [1] https://youtu.be/I71IBh3qHX0

Can take compressed monochrome pictures, or low FPS video. 80 kilobytes a second plus tailor-made compression, plus 1 channel instead of 3 like RGB, can do a lot, actually.

Re: Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Post by joezydeco »

forcer wrote: post #61
joezydeco wrote: post #23

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Well, there’s always Helium I suppose...if they haven’t pivoted again by now.

I am checking their homepage. It does not seem like they are doing something else? Still its a network to low bandwidth network to connect devices ?

Helium started out as a local IOT play but realized that nobody wanted their custom radio stuff. So now they're doing mesh-something-with-blockchain.

Re: Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Post by sgerenser »

ponker wrote: post #36
01100011 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use 'rclone' and 'motion' to push video and images to my google drive account. If I wanted to, I could easily encrypt it first. I think it's superior to most cloud video providers. I don't think most LE agencies would think to check something like Google Drive for active video feeds. I also delete anything over 3 days(thanks rclone) and use a script which detects the presence of either my wife's or my phone on our…

That's cool but accessible to about 0.1% of the population.

It’s not any harder than using an ftp account with curlftpfs as a Dropbox replacement!

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Post by projektfu »

cmiles74 wrote: post #78
jvp wrote: post #77

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But everything you described needs the app to be installed. No app, no problem.

If the people who install the application are not aware of how invasive the tracking is, I believe that would be the problem.

I'm sure it's clearly stated in the terms of service that they sat down to read before starting their vacation. /s

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Post by projektfu »

turing_complete wrote: post #59

Why does this link to techcrunch instead of the actual source / whitepaper? https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/sidewalk/privacy_secu...

Perhaps the submitter was reading TechCrunch and not randomly browsing Amazon's press releases or wherever you might find that.

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Post by mStreamTeam »

ogre_codes wrote: post #74
anigbrowl wrote: post #20

Low bandwidth mesh networking is super interesting but I would prefer not to have it supplied by Buy'n'Large.

Amazon is my gross secret. I find much of what they do disgusting, but I still have Amazon Prime, still shop Amazon a fair bit. As abhorrent as it is, it's also just too convenient. That's why I also own shares in the company. They are just too damned sticky and too damned good at so many things. It reminds me of that scene from Clerks II. It's the most disgusting company I've ever seen... but I can't make myself mov…

People are so lazy.

Anything you can buy on Amazon can be bought somewhere else online. Usually you can buy products directly from a companies website and cut out all the middle men.

And its not even much effort to do so. Finding an alternative place to buy a product takes just a single Google search

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Post by notdang »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #88
ogre_codes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is my gross secret. I find much of what they do disgusting, but I still have Amazon Prime, still shop Amazon a fair bit. As abhorrent as it is, it's also just too convenient. That's why I also own shares in the company. They are just too damned sticky and too damned good at so many things. It reminds me of that scene from Clerks II. It's the most disgusting company I've ever seen... but I can't make myself mov…

People are so lazy. Anything you can buy on Amazon can be bought somewhere else online. Usually you can buy products directly from a companies website and cut out all the middle men. And its not even much effort to do so. Finding an alternative place to buy a product takes just a single Google search

maybe true for US, but not other countries.

In my country, Amazon operates surprisingly well, and the local companies have a long way to go till they catch up.

The only exception is MercadoLibre, they upped their game considerable after Amazon entered the market.

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