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Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#82

I've mentioned this before, but WFH has a huge difference in result depending on who you are, when you are (in your career), and where you are in a company (or organization). For some people , going back to the office has benefits. -- For the budding young developer who can't wait to show ideas to teammates and demonstrate being a go-getter by asking random questions and finding unaddressed issues to innovate on, WFH…

For the consultant developer working on green-field prototypes in a small team, it's also been amazing.

I've always been competing with developers all around the world - it's not like outsourcing is new.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#83

I have no interest in being in the office. The commute is horrid and a waste of time. The socialising is insignificant. The water cooler never has more than one visitor at a time, so the idea of it being an idea exchange is myth. Everyone communicates via chat in office, with headphones on. Being able to separate work and private life is a matter of self discipline, the other matters are not. The only thing I want is…

If you primarily rely on socializing and interacting with other people AT WORK and around a water cooler of all things, you need some hobbies and activities.

People used to have an actual connection to the community they lived in but it seems like there’s now a massive collective laziness to seek it out.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#84
> The key phrase here is: managed and supported appropriately. Certainly managers need to reinvent themselves as mentors to this style of working and then – forgive me – get the hell out of the way.

I think that this may be the key thing that the pandemic has accelerated: A re-evaluation of what kind of management is appropriate for modern work, and whether that management can be performed by the self, another person, another company, or perhaps even by a tool.

Managing work, in an idealized sense, is wasteful because it’s not actually production. Of course, in the real world we need all sorts of management of our work, from well informed decisions by individuals all the way up to strategic alignment of whole organizations. But how we actually get that management done, and done effectively, feels like it’s taking center stage now that our old routines have been up-ended.

Edit: Note that an individual’s preference work at home, for or against, is in a sense a vote for a certain kind of management. As the article points out, work at home can be interrupted with Zoom And Slack just like it was in the office with in-person meetings and office chatter, so the at home/at office debate kind of masks the real issue: We all want better management. Now we just need to invent it.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#85
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The long term shakeout of this will be that everybody realizes that yes, we need offices. They are spaces literally built for working. The required footprint will be smaller, people won't need to be in the office for absolutely everything, the demand for square footage of commercial real estate will decrease a bit—good news for cities who don't build b/c they can convert excess commercial inventory to residential. Bu…

I am not so sure productivity has definitely improved. I agree there was a good head of steam where people were able to quietly and independently work through their "list" of stuff they wanted to do for ages but never had the chance to etc, or whatever had previously been planned out. Now months later I feel like things are starting to grind a bit and productivity is starting to wane because the "pipe" is starting to…

I'm talking about macro level gains. When your small local accountant figures out how to manage work from home a few days per week that creates small, cumulative gains over the whole of the economy. Hard to quantify right now, especially because of all the noise going on. i.e. GDP is currently getting slaughtered for reasons other than lack of productive business practices. I do think that it's harder to notice from the vantage of tech since it is probably the most remote-ready industry. Talking to finance bros I get a very strong sense that people are getting a lot more done in some regards and suffering in others. When offices come back, they'll divide up the tasks appropriate to the milieu and gain some incremental productivity as a result.

Similarly distance education sucks. It's sucked forever buuuuut, with whole countries attempting to manage distance education at the same time across all educational institutions, I am very optimistic that we will find some new techniques that will have huge returns but it will take a while for those techniques to gain dominance.

I could be totally wrong about this, but we'll find out for sure in the next few years.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#86
I feel like most people who want to go back to working in an office, don’t really need an office per se — in the sense of needing to rent out a unit or floor of a building for their company to work out of.

Most of the advantages that individual knowledge-workers attain from an office — work-life separation, and meeting rooms in which to come together with others for a scheduled semi-private conversation — already have a relevant institution that will provide those to almost anyone on Earth, free of charge: the public library. Everyone[1] sitting at the tables in a public library is being productive. And almost all modern libraries have bookable meeting rooms as a free service!

[1] If your library is full of noisy people, find a different one. This mostly only happens to the one library per city nearest to the projects. I suggest a public library near a college; or, for that matter, a University library, if it’s public-access.

Yes, there’s also coffee shops, but those only solve work-life separation. Most coffee shops don’t offer bookable spaces for private meetings. I guess you could combine coffee shops with booths at restaurants, but that gets expensive quickly. Libraries are free! And, unlike the coffee shop where sitting there all day with your laptop will annoy the employees, being productive all day in a library is the point, and you have every right to ask the library employees to shush anyone interfering with your productivity, because productivity is what they want the library environment to foster.

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Who doesn't think libraries are a valid substitute for offices?

• Sales people and call-center workers, obviously. Anyone who needs to make phone calls all day. But these people were never really suited to ordinary office space, either. They need sound-proofed rooms/booths, really. You can build those anywhere — podcasters and journalists are currently building these at home. You really do need a separate space for this, though, and that might not be tenable in a small bachelor apartment. I have a feeling we might see the rise of specialty coworking spaces consisting of floors of small, rentable recording-booth rooms. (Some fancier public libraries have these too — again, for free.)

• Managers. Specifically, middle-managers. In-person, off-the-record conversations are how you "build your team", i.e. how you build loyalty to yourself and ensure that your team-members are working for you, rather than for the company, such that you can later take credit for their achievements and they won't call you out for it. This role is dying, and most of the visible backlash is likely coming from here. It's like the death throes of aristocracy when centralized government rises to replace it. Good riddance, I say. (Team-allocated executive assistants can perform the project-management tasks of a manager just as well, without also becoming feudal lords. These don't mind remote work at all, because they're fine with everything they say happening on-the-record on Slack/email/etc.)

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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Some people definitely enjoy working in an office; for others, it’s a necessity given limited space or facilities at home. I totally understand individuals’ desire to get back, and equally the desire of others to continue working at home. Certainly as a hardware company it’s been important for us to be able to take turns in the office occasionally.

But the effect the article has noted is really prevalent and weird. Seeing the actual UK government banging on about how essential it is for everybody to get “back to the office”, being very explicitly anti-remote-working, and using their usual propaganda channels to spread that message is a strange choice at the moment. It’s hard to find a convincing explanation for.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if anything this pandemic made that abundantly clear. Those in favor of control ran out of any scapegoats. The remote work debate was never about location.

Ironically, working remotely actually made many office workers more productive, but I cannot recall where I've read that. Maybe lack of management interruptions is not as bad as they say.

It's mentioned in the linked article!

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#89

Some people definitely enjoy working in an office; for others, it’s a necessity given limited space or facilities at home. I totally understand individuals’ desire to get back, and equally the desire of others to continue working at home. Certainly as a hardware company it’s been important for us to be able to take turns in the office occasionally. But the effect the article has noted is really prevalent and weird. S…

>It’s hard to find a convincing explanation for.

Cynically, the leadership of top companies wants workers back in the office (for whatever reason) and the current government is in their pocket.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

#90
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Number one reason for me is the separation of work and private life. It's so much easier to keep work from creeping into my private life when it happens in a totally different place. I also miss the social interactions, discussion with colleagues is much easier in person. Lastly, I hope it will reduce the amount of video conferences that crept up considerably. edit: Not OP obviously. edit2: Note: Just to make sure, I…

That's a great reason. You like to set boundaries between work and private life. But I'm not convinced a corporate office is the only, let alone, best option. Have you considered alternatives?

No I haven't considered alternatives between a corporate office and a home office. Could you list some? I am fairy uncreative about these things, unfortunately :/
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