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Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by alfonsodev »

deepstack wrote: post #70
bartread wrote: post #21

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this because it just turns WayBackMachine into another content silo. It's called the world wide web for a reason, and this isn't helping. I can see it for corporate sites where they change content, remove pages, and break links without a moment's consideration. But for my personal site, for example, I'd much rather you link to me directly rather than content in WayBackMachine. Apart from any…

yeah at some point, way back machine need to be on webttorrent, ipfs type of thing where it is immutable.

it's there any active project perusing this idea ?

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by deepstack »

alfonsodev wrote: post #81
deepstack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah at some point, way back machine need to be on webttorrent, ipfs type of thing where it is immutable.

it's there any active project perusing this idea ?

I'm hoping someone here in Hacker News will pick it up and apply for the next round at ycombinator. A non-profit would be better than for-profit in this case. Block-chain ish type tech would be perfect for this. If in a few years no one does, then I'll do it.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by thotsBgone »

codethief wrote: post #43
bartread wrote: post #21

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this because it just turns WayBackMachine into another content silo. It's called the world wide web for a reason, and this isn't helping. I can see it for corporate sites where they change content, remove pages, and break links without a moment's consideration. But for my personal site, for example, I'd much rather you link to me directly rather than content in WayBackMachine. Apart from any…

> What I can see, and I don't know if it exists yet (a quick search suggests perhaps not), is some build task that will check all links and replace those that are broken with links to WayBackMachine Addendum: First, that same tool should – at the time of creating your web site / blog post / … – ask WayBackMachine to capture those links in the first place. That would actually be a very neat feature, as it would guaran…

I don't care enough to look into it, but I think Gwern has something like this set up on gwern.net.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

bartread wrote: post #21

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this because it just turns WayBackMachine into another content silo. It's called the world wide web for a reason, and this isn't helping. I can see it for corporate sites where they change content, remove pages, and break links without a moment's consideration. But for my personal site, for example, I'd much rather you link to me directly rather than content in WayBackMachine. Apart from any…

What if your personal site is, like so many others these days, on shared IP hosting like Cloudflare, AWS, Fastly, Azure, etc.

In the case of Cloudflare, for example, we as users are not reaching the target site, we are just accessing a CDN. The nice thing about archive.org is that it does not require SNI. (Cloudflare's TLS1.3 and ESNI works quite well AFAICT but they are the only CDN who has it working.)

I think there should be more archive.org's. We need more CDNs for users as opposed to CDNs for website owners.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by britmob »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #60
dmitriid wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After all, they did change their search to accommodate AMP. Changing it to take WebArchive into account is a) peanuts and b) is actually better for the web

There's a business idea in there somewhere. Some kind of CDN-edge-archive hybrid.

“CDN-Whether-You-Want-It-Or-Not”

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by akavel »

bartread wrote: post #21

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this because it just turns WayBackMachine into another content silo. It's called the world wide web for a reason, and this isn't helping. I can see it for corporate sites where they change content, remove pages, and break links without a moment's consideration. But for my personal site, for example, I'd much rather you link to me directly rather than content in WayBackMachine. Apart from any…

Or: snapshot a WARC archive of the site locally, then start serving it only in case the original goes down. For extra street cred, seed it to IPFS. (A.k.a. one of too many projects on my To Build One Day list.)

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by bad_user »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #84
bartread wrote: post #21

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this because it just turns WayBackMachine into another content silo. It's called the world wide web for a reason, and this isn't helping. I can see it for corporate sites where they change content, remove pages, and break links without a moment's consideration. But for my personal site, for example, I'd much rather you link to me directly rather than content in WayBackMachine. Apart from any…

What if your personal site is, like so many others these days, on shared IP hosting like Cloudflare, AWS, Fastly, Azure, etc. In the case of Cloudflare, for example, we as users are not reaching the target site, we are just accessing a CDN. The nice thing about archive.org is that it does not require SNI. (Cloudflare's TLS1.3 and ESNI works quite well AFAICT but they are the only CDN who has it working.) I think ther…

The "target site" is the URL from the author's domain, and Cloudflare is the domain's designated CDN. The user is reaching the server that the webmaster wants reachable.

That's how the web works.

> The nice thing about archive.org is that it does not require SNI

I fail to see how that's even a thing to consider.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Post by bad_user »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #77
mcv wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be nice if there's an automatic way to have a link revert to the Wayback Machine once the original link stops working. I can't think of an easy way to do that, though.

Brave browser has this built in, if you end up at a dead link the address bar offers to take you to wayback machine. http://blog.archive.org/2020/02/25/brave-browser-and-the-way...

This was first implemented in Firefox, as an experiment, and is now an extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/ro/firefox/addon/wayback-machine_...

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