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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#81
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which buildings have been burned, exactly? Local reporting covered the Molotov cocktails last night [0] but did not indicate that any buildings were being burned down or even caught on fire. Portlanders continue to note that most of the city is unaffected by protests. Life goes on as normal. Only a couple specific blocks downtown are contested, and only because the police have chosen to make those blocks into a battl…

Police are making it a battleground? Not the people throwing Molotov cocktails, fireworks, and bricks. No, it is the police who have made it a battleground.

Both sides need to be present to escalate the situation. If you look at the videos from a couple weeks ago of the police just herding protests with tear gas and dragging people into vans, they're not exactly a deescalating presence.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#82
post #32

It makes me sad that an institution I used to like and respect, reason.com, seems more and more often to subscribe to the standard (and, taken uncritically, untrue) set pieces of the standard American culture war. This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertaria…

Libertarians generally, but Reason specifically, have historically been critical of police and rioters.

I don’t think the staff at Reason “aliases” antifa/BLM, having listened to their editors podcast as all this has happened.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#83
post #36
post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor.

Reason has had a running police brutality tracker for decades. You're mad at the wrong magazine.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#84
post #32

It makes me sad that an institution I used to like and respect, reason.com, seems more and more often to subscribe to the standard (and, taken uncritically, untrue) set pieces of the standard American culture war. This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertaria…

> The truth is very different

Evidence seems to suggest differently.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#85
post #67
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> If the state wants people to respect the laws and remain peaceful, it needs to clean its own house of violent criminals first. No, the people demand that everyone respect the laws and remain peaceful. To that end, the people fund and enact a police force to protect life and property, and to apprehend suspected criminals. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that “some of the protestors have turned violent.” There is…

And when the people think the police is endangering their safety, does the job badly and abuses power given to them or breaks the law, what are people supposed to do?

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#86
post #58

There’s reason to be skeptical. From a local Portland journalist covering the protests: https://twitter.com/alex_zee/status/1302284883625046016?s=21 “ Not that I want to legitimize this @reason piece, but I have filmed copious moments of ppl throwing things at police/vandalizing bldgs/etc & have never been told I’m not allowed to film. I have never heard of the so-called “IPC.” The lack of sourcing in this story show…

This is probably the most important comment in this whole thread.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#87
post #55
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

The “language of the oppressor” is the language of protestors forcing people to not film.

Do the protesters control two branches of the federal government? Or indeed, any government at all? Do the protesters control the economic system by monopolizing most property and wealth? Do the protesters have access to a vast war-making apparatus?

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#88
post #36
post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

Frankly I'm impressed things haven't descended into far worse than what has happened so far. Most of the demonstrators are showing an incredible level of restraint.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#89
post #32

It makes me sad that an institution I used to like and respect, reason.com, seems more and more often to subscribe to the standard (and, taken uncritically, untrue) set pieces of the standard American culture war. This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertaria…

> his one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”

For having met many of them during the Gilets Jaunes demonstration in Paris, it’s not only true but an understatement. In addition everyone of them I talked to was of an abysmal intelligence and seemed to come only to destroy. I completely understand police brutality has I have been gassed, beaten and shot with rubber bullets while totally cooperative and non violent. However the behaviour of antifas is unacceptable.

I highly suspect that the government used them to destroy any sympathy towards the protests. It might be also the case in the US.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#90
post #50

>But it's easy to understand why protesters use them: to shape the narrative the country sees about the protests. That is a very biased view. The reality is that photo and film is used to target people by the government even if you are at a peaceful protest (I'm not talking about rioters). Hence the hyperbolic "filming equals death" thing. Getting filmed or having your picture taken at a protest in the States is on t…

target people by the government even if you are at a peaceful protest

This is conspiracy theory grade. Show me a recent example of anyone being charged for just being at a protest.

The US checks 11 out of the 13 signs of fascism

According to whom.

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