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Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by Marsymars »

ffpip wrote: post #76
sschueller wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The play store is getting worse and worse. It will eventually end up being just a bad. Meanwhile every iteration of Android is getting more locked down because of "security". No more external cameras etc.. The future look bleak until we get a true open source alternative running on open hardware.

God. I just stopped opening the play store. Everything is ads and autoplaying videos. I added the update shortcut to homescreen to go straight to updates

Sadly the App Store also has ads and no way to deep link to updates.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

turblety wrote: post #45
sschueller wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The play store is getting worse and worse. It will eventually end up being just a bad. Meanwhile every iteration of Android is getting more locked down because of "security". No more external cameras etc.. The future look bleak until we get a true open source alternative running on open hardware.

Absolutely. Unfortunately at the moment it's a case of choose the best of a terrible bunch. I have really high hopes some good will come out of Purism's Librem 5 and the PinePhone.

I would be willing to buy these to attempt to kickstart this market. But maybe I'm confused, these seem only to be ROMs that are installed on existing hardware? This can't be right.

Where can I go to buy these? I typed "buy PinePhone" and got a wikipedia page with supported hardware made by other companies.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by hirako2000 »

Razengan wrote: post #65

What should be the price of accessing a billion users? Does any platform allow anyone to charge its users without going through the platform? Nevermind charging, does -any- platform allow anyone to interact with its users at all without adhering to the platform's terms and conditions? Can we post anything we want on HN? How about spamming Patreon or GoFundMe links on forums and servers? Why not?

The price should be zero. Then platform can offer a service e.g payment gateway at a price but not prevent other payment gateways.

Google search and other search engin do allow. They are platforms, not purely marketplace, so what.

The problem is not whether it is legitimate for a platform to enforce terms and conditions, the problem is what are those terms and conditions. A physical market place can and probably should have some terms and conditions, such as rules around how to not dispose of trash and sanitary, but a term that force participants to purchase a cleaning service only from the marketplace manager is where it would be crossing a line. That is what is being criticized here. Not the existence of terms and conditions to use the app store, it is the restriction to use any other payment gateway, the restriction from communicating that there is an apple tax of 30% and offer an alternative route to the end customer.

Apple has the right to monetise its platform of course, but with a fair business model, not an abusive business model.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by malshe »

fermienrico wrote: post #10
turblety wrote: post #5

I know I really don't matter to Apple, but this walled garden and app store dictatorship is what finally made me move away from iOS to Android last year. I had used Android in the past, but it was with Samsung Galaxy's which where very bloated and awful when compared to Apple. But when a friend told me that Samsung just ruin Android [1] and I should try an actual Google phone, I bought a Pixel and it's honestly great…

Unpopular opinion that I hold: The walled garden is exactly why I love Apple's iPhone. iPhone keeps the rifraff away, third-party sniffers at check, they've recently added clipboard notification if some app tries to paste random stuff from my clipboard (given that we use it so much for 1Password and other password managers). I absolutely do not trust any third party - there are some insane apps like LinkedIn that tri…

Unpopular only on HN.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

robotnixon wrote: post #71
rewq4321 wrote: post #61

From the replies (@mysl_co): > Hey Matt, When I open the Help Center from the app, I can get guidance about upgrading to one of your paid plans. If I tap on “Plans” as seen the screenshot, the app opens Safari and shows the plans. This is a violation according to App Store Review Guidelines. > Here is the relevant term that your app violated: 3.1.3(a) Apps may allow a user to access previously purchased content or co…

My company had our apps flagged because our links to support documentation included our logo, which took you to our homepage, where you could presumably find contact information for our sales department and contact us to purchase. At the time we didn't even have the ability purchase online as our app was only a portal to the enterprise product we were selling which had custom pricing. We ended up removing the support…

> We ended up removing the support link and just prompted them to email support.

This is of course MUCH better for consumers, obviously.

/s

I don't normally leave this type of comment but honestly Apple's outright aggression towards consumers is right out in the open. They're demonstrating second by second the reason that market-makers cannot dominate.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by ffpip »

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #82
turblety wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Unfortunately at the moment it's a case of choose the best of a terrible bunch. I have really high hopes some good will come out of Purism's Librem 5 and the PinePhone.

I would be willing to buy these to attempt to kickstart this market. But maybe I'm confused, these seem only to be ROMs that are installed on existing hardware? This can't be right. Where can I go to buy these? I typed "buy PinePhone" and got a wikipedia page with supported hardware made by other companies.

1st Result - https://store.pine64.org/product-category/pinephone/ [Out of Stock]

Librem5 - https://shop.puri.sm/

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by amanzi »

ShamelessC wrote: post #24
turblety wrote: post #5

I know I really don't matter to Apple, but this walled garden and app store dictatorship is what finally made me move away from iOS to Android last year. I had used Android in the past, but it was with Samsung Galaxy's which where very bloated and awful when compared to Apple. But when a friend told me that Samsung just ruin Android [1] and I should try an actual Google phone, I bought a Pixel and it's honestly great…

yeah Samsung bloat is annoying. you can still enable usb debugging and disable a good deal of it, but it's still there on a read only partition. I'm curious what your views are on the Play store services, and binary blobs needed for 4g/5g chips and what not. I believe Lineage is an attempt at "un-googling" Android and there's f-droid for APK's. Have you gone that route at all?

I would argue that with the Samsung bloat, a bunch of it adds value and you can safely ignore the rest of it. There are probably only a couple of minor features that are actively annoying. Overall, I'm happy with my Galaxy.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by colejohnson66 »

hirako2000 wrote: post #83
Razengan wrote: post #65

What should be the price of accessing a billion users? Does any platform allow anyone to charge its users without going through the platform? Nevermind charging, does -any- platform allow anyone to interact with its users at all without adhering to the platform's terms and conditions? Can we post anything we want on HN? How about spamming Patreon or GoFundMe links on forums and servers? Why not?

The price should be zero. Then platform can offer a service e.g payment gateway at a price but not prevent other payment gateways. Google search and other search engin do allow. They are platforms, not purely marketplace, so what. The problem is not whether it is legitimate for a platform to enforce terms and conditions, the problem is what are those terms and conditions. A physical market place can and probably shou…

> The price should be zero.

I don’t know if this is what you meant, but this reads as if you’re implying that Apple should host free apps absolutely free. Which makes no economical sense.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by strombofulous »

bdcravens wrote: post #31
strombofulous wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitch charges $5.99 for a subscription to a streamer in their app but $5 on their website. Are they breaking this rule too? How are they getting away with it?

Are the subscriptions portable between the web and mobile apps? Or only valid one place or the other?

It's account-based, a sub on one transfers transparently.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by georgespencer »

saagarjha wrote: post #68
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I were in a position where Apple is forcing me to pay a 30% tax, I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen on top of the regular fees to make consumers aware If you don't know that, it is not allowed to sell for more in iOS than in your site, and the app will get banned for attempting that, forget about displaying 30% apple tax to the users explicitly. Edit: Heard from somewhere, likely not f…

I do not believe this is a requirement. You just may not present any other payment option in app .

OP stated it with total conviction and now appears to have downvoted my reply citing evidence to the contrary. Some folks take their anti-Apple agenda pretty personally!

Nothing in the guidelines about this at all: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#pay...

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