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2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist Regimes

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Re: 2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist Regimes

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Are they asking management to pull out of the USA? Which has conducted illegal wars, and pulled out of nuclear talks with Iran.

Right? It's really hypocritical for any American company to be talking about these kinds of things.

It's okay to be a hypocrit.

Just some be surprised when people call you out on it.

Doesn't necessarily make what you say or do invalid in and of itself.

Re: 2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist Regimes

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It's possible to be self-aware of one's own faults and want to change, but still exhibit the errant behaviour.

you are not explaining why i would care though? and i have not seen a single alternative posted by anyone here, so all the argumnts against seem rather hollow and just self serving. blocking making playing field fairer as you wont be the one to benefit from the increased fairness. I also think that people are missing the point that the entire work environment is tuned to a specific group of people.. which is not heal…

> you are not explaining why i would care though?

Because many people endeavour to be better people because they care about other people.

> How do propose getting more diversity without some kind of support or appreciation of the value of the under represented?

You could improve diversity without appreciating their value, as well; following proscribed formulas to balance quotas doesn't guarantee that those applying the formula are going to reform their views.

I'd improve diversity by dismantling systemic barriers; like unequal access to education, which must including access to after-school support, quality food, and so on.

> but where is the incentive for the other kids to keep playing together if the historical effects of the bullying are not addressed?

Because they are kids, and many kids are quick to forgive and forge new relationships.

Re: 2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist Regimes

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> (2) Expand our diversity recruitment programs specifically targeting women, people of color, and LGBT people with the goal of doubling recruitment of these groups in 2017 and steadily increasing the share of these groups as a proportion of new hiring in subsequent years. Initiatives like this worry me that we'll end up like my previous employer where we were off-the-record instructed not to hire a white male for ou…

I'm a former IBM'er and I remember a presentation 14 years ago in front of 500 people by a higher up with a PowerPoint slide that said "We are actively looking to promote women and minorities to management". I saw this in action as a few older co-workers, 40'ish, white and male, were continually passed over for promotions to management.

Good

Re: 2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist Regimes

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There's zero reason why in computer science and tech women and men should have so drastically different ratios. Even back in the day programming was seen as a women's job.

Zero reason?? More opportunity in other traditionally male jobs like doctors, nurse pay has increased, tech jobs require longer hours than they used to, the opening of various CS-parallel fields like UX/UI design that don't count as computer science, more economic freedom for top earning families to not require 2 incomes. There are literally dozens of reasons why women's interest in CS might decrease. * - https://www…

Nah. Do you know nurses? Their hours are pretty damn long and much more stressful. So longer hours does not sound like a valid reason why someone would choose one profession over another.
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