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Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by Macha »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #62
khaledh wrote: post #12

IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…

> Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages How does it do this? The URL looks totally as I'd expect (google.com/amp/) - I'm on version 84.0

Requires implementation from the amp site as well I think, but here's the spec they introduced to allow for it: https://caniuse.com/#feat=sxg

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

SifJar wrote: post #37
simonkafan wrote: post #29

I still haven't found a good answer why they do this. "Makes it harder to tell if the current site is legitimate" sounds like an excuse. If you are the perfect target for a phishing attack (= clicks on everything, enters passwords everywhere, has no clue about host names) then you also won't be able to understand what Chrome presents you in the address bar after obfuscation. My best explanation so far is that the Chr…

I think the justification is that some people will think the website is legitimate if a legit hostname appears anywhere in the URL e.g. http://scamsite.com/microsoft.com/phish "looks" legit because it contains the string "microsoft.com" (and most "regular" users won't appreciate the different parts of a URL); under the new scheme, that would display only as "scamsite.com" and hopefully people are less likely to enter…

I think microsoft.scamsite.com would fool most of the people that scamsite.com/microsoft would. It's a very difficult problem. Can't we have something like certificates for domains, so we can at least trust the most potentially vulnerable cases?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by cinquemb »

icebraining wrote: post #65
cinquemb wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for those of us who still compile ff from source and remove/add things as we please, we'll have to see people moan about something they always had and will continue to have control over, but long ago rationalized away seeking comfort in the chaining of their minds to things/ideas that are foremost in the best interest of others and not themselves. /me shrugs

If you have such complete control over your applications, why do you have to see anything you displease? Just add a filter to your Firefox that removes such complaints before they are displayed.

Well, I have to make a living catering to people (on mostly my terms and my time frame) complaining about things they have no intention of trying to do anything else about… seeing the complaints and lack of solutions adopted is a good sign for a captive market :P

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by gruez »

khaledh wrote: post #12

IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…

Seems unlikely, considering they're also pushing for signed exchange (SGX) which also does the same thing.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by trekrich »

donor20 wrote: post #68

Wow - top posts are conspiracy theories. "The only reason to do this..." "This is a security issue..." Google has millions / billions of users. From a security standpoint the focus should be entirely on the root domain, that is the only really meaningful root of trust. If you are talking about a security issue - the KEY security issue is ANY lack of clarity around root domain. "Showing the full URL may detract from t…

at what point is not any longer? Once the URL bar has gone?!

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by walrus01 »

khaledh wrote: post #12

IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…

I encourage everyone to use Firefox on Android just for the one killer feature of being able to install the full desktop ublock origin plugin.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by dessant »

avasthe wrote: post #79
dessant wrote: post #19

When the final version is implemented in a couple of years you will no longer see any URL, that way it won't be as evident that most sites on the web will be loaded from Google. Google is also attacking this issue from a different perspective with Signed Exchanges [1][2], to fake the URL and ensure their success in becoming the gatekeepers of the internet. If you refuse to become a content provider for Google's visio…

If the webshits didn't bloat the web like this, AMP wouldn't have happened. "But all hipsters I know have latest macbook pro" has been the standard answer from all of them.

Lean websites are NOT featured in the Top Stories carousel, only AMP websites, so this is not primarily about page speed. If page speed would be the main reason for AMP, they'd simply continue to demote websites that have poor performance in search results, and they'd curtail the main bloat from sites in Chrome, ads and trackers.

But I agree that Google has used this talking point successfully so far to bully publishers into giving up autonomy on their websites in exchange for being featured in top results, even when these sites have a great score on PageSpeed Insights.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by fareesh »

avasthe wrote: post #79
dessant wrote: post #19

When the final version is implemented in a couple of years you will no longer see any URL, that way it won't be as evident that most sites on the web will be loaded from Google. Google is also attacking this issue from a different perspective with Signed Exchanges [1][2], to fake the URL and ensure their success in becoming the gatekeepers of the internet. If you refuse to become a content provider for Google's visio…

If the webshits didn't bloat the web like this, AMP wouldn't have happened. "But all hipsters I know have latest macbook pro" has been the standard answer from all of them.

Google rewards developers who use AMP with better search positioning than even a plain HTML page
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