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Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by michaelt »

lordnacho wrote: post #79

Do people really only know people who do what they do? Of course you expect a coder to know more coders than the normal population, and the same for doctors or any other profession. But do you not have friends and relatives from all three of these categories? I don't even live in the Bay Area, but I have Bay Area friends and relatives in all three.

It depends:

Is your standard for friendship facebook friends, of which the average person has hundreds, or close personal friends of which the average person has 3-7?

Did they grow up where they're living, thus forming a non-work social network, or did they move there for work and find the distance made it hard to keep in touch with old friends?

Do they have interests (religion, sport clubs, parenting etc) that bring them into contact with people outside of their professional circles, and give them a chance to get to know each other?

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by mcntsh »

ThrowAwayBay wrote: post #32

This ignores a huge chunk of the bay area: first generation tech immigrants. Not working class, not elites, not hip.

If you're a transplant working in tech in SF you're pretty close to elite. The background growing up might not fit, but the lifestyle in SF does.

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by twic »

ThrowAwayBay wrote: post #36
dan-robertson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the article is supposed to be a description of every small class of people in the Bay Area. I think it is merely to give an impression of the inner lives of some different people in roughly the same place. Certainly I didn’t read it as “here are representatives of the three sets which partition the population of the Bay Area” so much as “here is what the Bay Area means to three different stereotypes of…

Sure, but as a first generation tech immigrant, it made me feel transparent and ignored, since living in the south bay it feels like we are the majority or at least the single largest group. EDIT: Also, the title is The Three Bay Areas, not "A Tale of Three Bay Areas" or alike.

There are loads of different kinds of people in the Bay Area who aren't on that list. The title vaguely suggests it's a complete census, and indeed it isn't, but as long as you read it as three hopefully interesting sketches of some people you might meet, perhaps it's not too bad.

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by haram_masala »

danans wrote: post #8
marsrover wrote: post #3

Being from the south, I couldn't relate to anything in this article but I really enjoyed reading it. The author has a good writing style. Is this really the trichotomy of the Bay area? I thought it was interesting that none of these groups are turned out to be Trump supporters. I think it would be fun to contrast this mode of thought with the thought of people in flyover territory, as was done with these groups.

> Is this really the trichotomy of the Bay area? From 10,000 ft, pretty much, although with any topic as complex as this, much nuance lost in the caricature. There are significant shades of gray between these three broad groups. I know households with blue collar workers married to doctors for example, and teachers married to property developers. Where you really find the caricatures in this story are in households w…

What makes you think there are fewer xenophobes and ethno-nationalists in the Bay Area than in other parts of the country?

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by danans »

haram_masala wrote: post #84
danans wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this really the trichotomy of the Bay area? From 10,000 ft, pretty much, although with any topic as complex as this, much nuance lost in the caricature. There are significant shades of gray between these three broad groups. I know households with blue collar workers married to doctors for example, and teachers married to property developers. Where you really find the caricatures in this story are in households w…

What makes you think there are fewer xenophobes and ethno-nationalists in the Bay Area than in other parts of the country?

Percentage of population that are immigrants, number of local elected officials and leaders who are immigrants or people of color, basically all the stats that index for this sort of thing.

For an example drawn from another part of the country, look at the district in Iowa that repeatedly reelected Steve King (R) to Congress, renowned and avowed xenophobe and ethno-nationalist, until he became an embarrassment.

What makes you think that any given Bay Area Congressional district would have the same number or more xenophobes than his district?

I didn't say the Bay Area was by any means perfect. The diversity here is still tainted by huge inequality, some of which falls along ethnic lines, which is what the article in part caricatures. But xenophobia isn't a major vector of the problems at this point.

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by rconti »

marsrover wrote: post #3

Being from the south, I couldn't relate to anything in this article but I really enjoyed reading it. The author has a good writing style. Is this really the trichotomy of the Bay area? I thought it was interesting that none of these groups are turned out to be Trump supporters. I think it would be fun to contrast this mode of thought with the thought of people in flyover territory, as was done with these groups.

Living on the Peninsula, I think I've seen 3 Trump stickers (say, within 50 miles of home) in 3.5 years. 0 flags. And you'll note, in the article, an Uncle was a Trump supporter.

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

ThrowAwayBay wrote: post #36
dan-robertson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the article is supposed to be a description of every small class of people in the Bay Area. I think it is merely to give an impression of the inner lives of some different people in roughly the same place. Certainly I didn’t read it as “here are representatives of the three sets which partition the population of the Bay Area” so much as “here is what the Bay Area means to three different stereotypes of…

Sure, but as a first generation tech immigrant, it made me feel transparent and ignored, since living in the south bay it feels like we are the majority or at least the single largest group. EDIT: Also, the title is The Three Bay Areas, not "A Tale of Three Bay Areas" or alike.

"The Three Little Pigs" is not about the only three little pigs that exist in the entire world. This is just how titles work.

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by jhatemyjob »

cortesoft wrote: post #74
jhatemyjob wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

plus even if they were from sac, that's basically the east bay. its one hour driving on I-80 from davis to oakland (which is shorter than a lot of people's commute)

It is way more than an hour during commute times.

its around 2 hours

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by ac29 »

ThrowAwayBay wrote: post #36
dan-robertson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the article is supposed to be a description of every small class of people in the Bay Area. I think it is merely to give an impression of the inner lives of some different people in roughly the same place. Certainly I didn’t read it as “here are representatives of the three sets which partition the population of the Bay Area” so much as “here is what the Bay Area means to three different stereotypes of…

Sure, but as a first generation tech immigrant, it made me feel transparent and ignored, since living in the south bay it feels like we are the majority or at least the single largest group. EDIT: Also, the title is The Three Bay Areas, not "A Tale of Three Bay Areas" or alike.

Sure, but there are 8+ million people in the Bay Area, so a short piece about three types of people is never going to cover everyone. I'm a Bay Area native, and none of these profiles are anywhere close to describing me.

I also live in the South Bay, and "first generation tech immigrants" are definitely not a majority, though that certainly does describe a lot of people. While tech companies are most of the largest employers, employment in retail, health care, education, hospitality and local government are still significant portions of the working base.

Re: The Three Bay Areas (2017)

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Post by haram_masala »

danans wrote: post #85
haram_masala wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think there are fewer xenophobes and ethno-nationalists in the Bay Area than in other parts of the country?

Percentage of population that are immigrants, number of local elected officials and leaders who are immigrants or people of color, basically all the stats that index for this sort of thing. For an example drawn from another part of the country, look at the district in Iowa that repeatedly reelected Steve King (R) to Congress, renowned and avowed xenophobe and ethno-nationalist, until he became an embarrassment. What…

So basically, being an immigrant or a PoC precludes being a xenophobe or ethno-nationalist. That's what I thought.
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